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Posted on: March 9, 2018 at 09:42:46 CT
raskolnikov MU
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From the perspective of a Categorical Imperative as defined by Kant, there are no conditionals. One may not act in such a way as to take a human life. That is the imperative. This is the fallacy behind capital punishment, that the state has the to take a human life as a punishment for one taking a human life. That simply doesn't work. It is either imperative or it is not. There are no conditions that may be applied. One cannot take a life unless gee it is for you know self-defense or defense of loved ones, or golly even ya know your property. Pretty soon conditions disprove the imperative.

Golly Jeff took long enough to get this to abortion. No one is pro abortion son. Currently the law allows for abortions in certain cases here in these United States. This has been done - it is thought - because a fetus is not yet a human. It is the law. I am not connected to that. I don't care. You do. Is what it is. I am not pro abortion, btw. No one is. The goal is to make them as infrequent as possible. The law provides for them, one imagines to take away the need of some to seek "back alley" situations.

These two issues are separate. Is prohibition of infanticide a categorical imperative? Yes it is. Thanks for coming.
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Are you for the Sanctity of Life - Silas MU - 3/9 08:55:05
     RE: Are you for the Sanctity of Life - Alferd Packer MU - 3/9 11:08:27
     Democrats are the neocons today my friend. nm. - MUTGR MU - 3/9 10:00:27
     Sanctity of Human Life is an objective truth. - JeffB MU - 3/9 08:57:14
          ... and for justice.(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 3/9 10:57:28
          That has always seemed a contraction to me - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:16:03
               That isn't a contradiction at all - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:10:47
                    Ha ha ha - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:15:50
                         There are no conditions... the taking of human life is wrong - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:02:28
                              What funny stories you make up. You utilize the utilitarian - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 13:48:14
                                   No. It would be wrong to deliberately kill an innocent perso - JeffB MU - 3/9 14:13:09
                         Yes, you can clearly protect life by taking it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:20:25
                              BULLSHT (and then you come at me with "moral truths") - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:27:51
                                   Who died and made Kant the arbiter of how to - Alferd Packer MU - 3/9 11:34:53
                                        He is just the philosopher who happened to say something - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:37:10
                                             rask gets emotional when he reads something that makes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 11:39:46
                                                  What a tired old line you drag ou - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 13:51:04
                                   It is not over my head - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:30:56
                                        RE: It is not over my head - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:33:23
                                             The evidence of certain moral truths held by nearly every - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:35:00
                                                  you just described natural rights - certain moral truths - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 12:28:51
               So what's your own stance, that human life is not sacred, or - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:21:01
                    Getting all particular are you? - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:42:46
                         You dodged the question, rask. A lot of words is not the - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:47:52
                              RE: You dodged the question, rask. A lot of words is not the - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:56:11
                                   You are still not clearly answering the question, rask. I am - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:04:52
                                        I have been clear about this forever dude - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:12:03
                                             So you are a complete pacifist, believing that even if a - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:40:57
                                                  He has actually dropped the f bomb regarding the dead baby - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:42:34
                                                       I haven't been to a good baby killing in years(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 13:33:25
          war and the death penalty are neither self-defense (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 08:58:15
               Often they are not, but they potentially can be. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:00:51
                    Still contradictory(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:43:25
                         How is asserting that it is possible for capital punishment - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:53:36
                              Slow down hoss - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 09:59:57
                                   'Resistance to being slain is encouraged, killing to prevent - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:06:52
                                        Pretty much what I said - raskolnikov MU - 3/9 10:17:31
                    No (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:17:49
                         Yet another unfounded, illogical assertion by pickle. - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:35:42
                              you don't understand rights and you never will (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 12:05:17
                                   Your dishonest dodging is duly noted. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 12:37:10
                    the death penalty is never self-defense, Jeff. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:02:01
                         Probably not in 1st world western cultures, but it would be - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:05:26
                              your logic has been described as tortured - pickle MU - 3/9 09:18:52
                                   Whether my example is the best is irrelevant. Do you - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:22:24
                                        the death penalty is murder, Jeff - pickle MU - 3/9 09:25:44
                                             So you cannot put together a rational defense of your - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:34:49
                                                  jeff, you're so lost (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:38:01
                                                       It would seem that you are the one at a loss for an explanat - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:42:58
                                                            you don't know anything about rights - pickle MU - 3/9 09:45:08
                                                                 No. You join 90Tiger in once again substituting insults for - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:49:28
                                                                      What insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 10:07:38
                                                                      JEff, you don't understand rights. there isn't anything - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:52:47
                                                                           You aren't just making a fool of yourself to me, but are - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:59:55
                                                                                what insults, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 10:15:01
                                                                                     Your use of semantics as a dodge is no better than using - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:56:05
                                                                                          what insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 11:04:00
                                                                                               Forget your meds again, pickle? Did you not read or - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:15:13
                                                                                                    What insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 11:53:56
                                                                                                         RE: What insult, Jeff? (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:56:03
                                                                                                              copy and paste the insult(s), word for word, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 12:04:33
                                                                                                                   You seem to be having issues here pickle... honesty issues. - JeffB MU - 3/9 12:57:53
                                                                                                                        You've accused 90 and i of insulting you - pickle MU - 3/9 13:28:13
                                                                                                                             No. I already told you what I considered to be insults... as - JeffB MU - 3/9 17:42:00
                                                  no, your fallacy shows your ignorance of rights (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:36:51
                                                       Yet again you substitute insults for a rational explanation - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:52:07
                                                            what insult, Jeff? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:55:39
                              lol (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:06:24
                                   Well, if you think it's absolutely impossible to ever be - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:08:10
                                        it's never possible for the death penalty to be self-defense - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:09:25
                                             because he doesn't understand rights - pickle MU - 3/9 09:19:31
                                                  Says the guy who thinks mothers have a 'right' to deliberate - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:23:21
                                                       more evidence you don't understand rights (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 3/9 09:31:48
                                                            Your inability to logically defend his position is evidence - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:57:37
                                                       this is an example of your not understanding rights (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 09:26:35
                                                            Says the guy who refuses to explain the blatant contradictio - JeffB MU - 3/9 09:40:11
                                                                 the explanation is right there in the post your linked - pickle MU - 3/9 09:53:58
                                                                      No it's not. It is no more a justification for a 'right' to - JeffB MU - 3/9 10:14:27
                                                                           you don't understand rights - pickle MU - 3/9 10:16:05
                                                                                Even if that were all true, you are still demonstrating your - JeffB MU - 3/9 11:21:54
                                                                                     use the search feature, Jeff - pickle MU - 3/9 12:03:57
                                                                                          No, pickle, the burden of proof is on you to explain the - JeffB MU - 3/9 13:08:24
                                                                                               LMFAO (nm) - pickle MU - 3/9 13:29:49
                                                                                                    More dishonest dancing and dodging from pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU - 3/9 17:44:18




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