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It certainly could, but I am not trying to justify the means

Posted on: May 24, 2017 at 12:20:22 CT
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upon the ends. This approach should be avoided for strictly moral purposes. It should also be avoided because it doesn't work, since war begets war which begets war. It is time to give peace a chance.

"Personally, I dont think being good friends with them will work. Especially since being good friends with Iran will mean that we will no longer be good friends with Israel."

Seriously, speak for yourself.
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90 has a good point, below: Libs are now NEOCONS. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:29:06
     They had to sellout to support Hillary - jlbomega MU - 5/24 12:02:38
     yeah the NEOCONS used to be an elite group - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/24 11:35:23
     it's the greatest thing - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:30:46
          You two and Fester are now globalists - JG MU - 5/24 11:41:24
               Coming from the guy who thinks the American political - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:47:22
                    LOL why is it that every simpleton that can't address - JG MU - 5/24 11:53:35
                         BAM. Case closed. (nm) - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:05:34
                              Yes it is. Thanks - JG MU - 5/24 12:07:29
               nothing you ever say means a ****ing thing, george - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:42:04
                    To dishonest delusionals, no of course not - JG MU - 5/24 11:44:19
          They brushed over the Reagan Bush folks joining the party. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:37:17
               Kristol, Wolfowitz, Cheney? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/24 11:45:53
               Yup. Trump's a naive, blustering egomaniac who - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:41:31
     Seriously... - Badird MU - 5/24 11:30:16
          Sanctions are essentially an act of war. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:33:38
               Sanctions hurt the economies of those countries. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:40:49
                    Why would you want to inflict economic strain - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:49:54
                         Is this a joke? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:54:40
                              false premise, straw man, the list goes on (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:14:48
                              No, I would prefer no war making on any kind. - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:56:49
                                   Same convo here - Badird MU - 5/24 11:57:31
                                        Stop dodging and answer his question (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:01:30
                                        But back to your post where you indicate that purpose of - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:59:04
                                             You use sanctions to spur governments to make changes. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:04:38
                                                  Oh okay, so you're taking the Madeleine Albright - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:07:35
                                                       I am all ears for an alternative to sanctions or war. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:09:59
                                                            And....you still don't know you're holding the neocon - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:16:07
                                                            Stop dodging and answer ummmm's question(nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:12:48
                                                            Peace and trade are the alternatives. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:11:19
                                                                 Peace will stop Iran from building a bomb? - Badird MU - 5/24 12:15:32
                                                                      It certainly could, but I am not trying to justify the means - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:20:22
                                                                           Ummm, I did? Thats what 'personally' means. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:25:45
                                                                                No, you did not. Adding "personally" before a statement - ummmm MU - 5/24 13:05:09
                                                                                     "Personally, I dont think..." - Badird MU - 5/24 13:24:47
                                                                                Let me guess - You believed that Iraq actually - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:34:03
                                                                                     I did. And 72% of Americans favored that war before - Badird MU - 5/24 12:37:32
                                                                                          So you know you got suckered into that one and you still - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:38:42
                                                                                               NK tests nukes monthly. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:42:09
                                                                      Woahhhh NEOCON ALERT!!!!!!!! (nm) - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:18:49
                                        RE: Same convo here - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:58:35
                                             Oh, diplomacy. How simple! - Badird MU - 5/24 12:01:55
                                                  Iran has never said that (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:05:41
                                                       Wrong. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:07:31
                                                            Those links don't support your false claim (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:10:00
                                                                 How did I misunderstand "There will be no such thing as - Badird MU - 5/24 12:11:04
                                                                      You: "vowed to wipe Israel off the map" - pickle MU - 5/24 12:14:07
                                                                           Im done with you pickle. It cant be any clearer. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:17:00
                                                                                It isn't the same. (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:29:02
                                                  Diplomacy is not simple, but it is moral. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:04:13
                                                       Elaborate for me. What do you mean by diplomacy? - Badird MU - 5/24 12:05:28
                                                            Talking with the leaders of the area, the ones who are - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:09:11
                                                                 So there will be no negative repercussions for them if they - Badird MU - 5/24 12:13:35
                                                                      I don't care if they build the bomb, at all. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:21:42
                                                                           I have not. I know your stance. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:24:12
                                                                                It doesn't matter if I think it is a problem or not. - ummmm MU - 5/24 13:06:38
                                                                                     Ok, so let me try to sum up your entire view... - Badird MU - 5/24 13:46:51
                                                                                          lol just lots of ****ing laughing at you and your - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 14:27:51
                                                                                          Huge fail on your part - ummmm MU - 5/24 14:21:15
                                                                                You're ignorant (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:31:48
                                                                      Unfortunately, your government will never try that plan. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:17:26
                                                                           I am still waiting for a viable alternative to complex - Badird MU - 5/24 12:19:52
                                                                                It would be good for you to read this entire thread - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:27:46
                                                                                     So no one is concerned with Iran getting WMD's. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:34:21
                                                                                          But heres a question: Why are there US nuclear subs off the - Badird MU - 5/24 12:40:03
                                                                                          Were you concerned about Iraq's phantom WMDs? - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:39:41
                                                                      How many countries have used nukes against another - pickle MU - 5/24 12:15:48
                                                            Well, you can start by removing all bases - pickle MU - 5/24 12:07:51
                                                                 This too. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:09:39
                    ^^ supports trickle up sanction policy ^^ - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:42:50
                    No they don't. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:42:47
                         see: Cuba. yeah, it just destroyed the elites - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:43:35
                              Putin is richer than Trump. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:44:21
                                   these guys... "sanctions hurt the economies...." - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:46:15
                                        Sanctions should precede military action. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:48:56
                                             Like innocent lives (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 11:52:40
                                                  Which method costs more innocent lives? nm - Badird MU - 5/24 11:55:16
                                                       The neocon is cornered (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:17:14
                                                       It's not a contest. - pickle MU - 5/24 11:59:50
               If I eat domestic beef vs Kobe beef - Silas MU - 5/24 11:36:32
                    Dream on. Kobe Bryant's not interested in you. - Emoji Man MSU - 5/24 11:39:01
                    Do you know who could screw up this peaceful equation? - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:38:53
                         Where are you getting this notion of peace? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:45:15
                              Yikes - pickle MU - 5/24 11:57:26
                                   Have these events not happened?? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:58:16
                                        You've been in a coma, alright - pickle MU - 5/24 12:04:25
                                             Link? Ill wait. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:07:58
                              You've gone full NEOCON, friend. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:48:44
                                   I dont want to be friends with Russia. I dont know how that - Badird MU - 5/24 11:51:21
                                        Again, sanctions are an act of war. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:55:23
                                             War costs more lives. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:56:56
                              Russia bankrolled his hotels - Silas MU - 5/24 11:48:11
                         Are they free range chicken folks from Canada? - Silas MU - 5/24 11:42:06
          what authority are you using to justify the US putting - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:31:21




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