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Posted on: May 24, 2017 at 11:41:31 CT
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probably truly believed he could "be different" and the serpents in both parties aren't going to let that happen.

Now the dems are using the reagan/bush neocon playbook for foreign policy.

Pickle has always been right about one thing: the two parties are on one team and the real power brokers have the D wing attacking Trump because he is now in the R wing.

and the D's don't even notice they are supporting all the old R policies.
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90 has a good point, below: Libs are now NEOCONS. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:29:06
     They had to sellout to support Hillary - jlbomega MU - 5/24 12:02:38
     yeah the NEOCONS used to be an elite group - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/24 11:35:23
     it's the greatest thing - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:30:46
          You two and Fester are now globalists - JG MU - 5/24 11:41:24
               Coming from the guy who thinks the American political - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:47:22
                    LOL why is it that every simpleton that can't address - JG MU - 5/24 11:53:35
                         BAM. Case closed. (nm) - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:05:34
                              Yes it is. Thanks - JG MU - 5/24 12:07:29
               nothing you ever say means a ****ing thing, george - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:42:04
                    To dishonest delusionals, no of course not - JG MU - 5/24 11:44:19
          They brushed over the Reagan Bush folks joining the party. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:37:17
               Kristol, Wolfowitz, Cheney? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/24 11:45:53
               Yup. Trump's a naive, blustering egomaniac who - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:41:31
     Seriously... - Badird MU - 5/24 11:30:16
          Sanctions are essentially an act of war. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:33:38
               Sanctions hurt the economies of those countries. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:40:49
                    Why would you want to inflict economic strain - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:49:54
                         Is this a joke? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:54:40
                              false premise, straw man, the list goes on (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:14:48
                              No, I would prefer no war making on any kind. - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:56:49
                                   Same convo here - Badird MU - 5/24 11:57:31
                                        Stop dodging and answer his question (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:01:30
                                        But back to your post where you indicate that purpose of - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:59:04
                                             You use sanctions to spur governments to make changes. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:04:38
                                                  Oh okay, so you're taking the Madeleine Albright - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:07:35
                                                       I am all ears for an alternative to sanctions or war. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:09:59
                                                            And....you still don't know you're holding the neocon - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:16:07
                                                            Stop dodging and answer ummmm's question(nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:12:48
                                                            Peace and trade are the alternatives. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:11:19
                                                                 Peace will stop Iran from building a bomb? - Badird MU - 5/24 12:15:32
                                                                      It certainly could, but I am not trying to justify the means - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:20:22
                                                                           Ummm, I did? Thats what 'personally' means. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:25:45
                                                                                No, you did not. Adding "personally" before a statement - ummmm MU - 5/24 13:05:09
                                                                                     "Personally, I dont think..." - Badird MU - 5/24 13:24:47
                                                                                Let me guess - You believed that Iraq actually - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:34:03
                                                                                     I did. And 72% of Americans favored that war before - Badird MU - 5/24 12:37:32
                                                                                          So you know you got suckered into that one and you still - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:38:42
                                                                                               NK tests nukes monthly. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:42:09
                                                                      Woahhhh NEOCON ALERT!!!!!!!! (nm) - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:18:49
                                        RE: Same convo here - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:58:35
                                             Oh, diplomacy. How simple! - Badird MU - 5/24 12:01:55
                                                  Iran has never said that (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:05:41
                                                       Wrong. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:07:31
                                                            Those links don't support your false claim (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:10:00
                                                                 How did I misunderstand "There will be no such thing as - Badird MU - 5/24 12:11:04
                                                                      You: "vowed to wipe Israel off the map" - pickle MU - 5/24 12:14:07
                                                                           Im done with you pickle. It cant be any clearer. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:17:00
                                                                                It isn't the same. (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:29:02
                                                  Diplomacy is not simple, but it is moral. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:04:13
                                                       Elaborate for me. What do you mean by diplomacy? - Badird MU - 5/24 12:05:28
                                                            Talking with the leaders of the area, the ones who are - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:09:11
                                                                 So there will be no negative repercussions for them if they - Badird MU - 5/24 12:13:35
                                                                      I don't care if they build the bomb, at all. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:21:42
                                                                           I have not. I know your stance. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:24:12
                                                                                It doesn't matter if I think it is a problem or not. - ummmm MU - 5/24 13:06:38
                                                                                     Ok, so let me try to sum up your entire view... - Badird MU - 5/24 13:46:51
                                                                                          lol just lots of ****ing laughing at you and your - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 14:27:51
                                                                                          Huge fail on your part - ummmm MU - 5/24 14:21:15
                                                                                You're ignorant (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 12:31:48
                                                                      Unfortunately, your government will never try that plan. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:17:26
                                                                           I am still waiting for a viable alternative to complex - Badird MU - 5/24 12:19:52
                                                                                It would be good for you to read this entire thread - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:27:46
                                                                                     So no one is concerned with Iran getting WMD's. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:34:21
                                                                                          But heres a question: Why are there US nuclear subs off the - Badird MU - 5/24 12:40:03
                                                                                          Were you concerned about Iraq's phantom WMDs? - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:39:41
                                                                      How many countries have used nukes against another - pickle MU - 5/24 12:15:48
                                                            Well, you can start by removing all bases - pickle MU - 5/24 12:07:51
                                                                 This too. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:09:39
                    ^^ supports trickle up sanction policy ^^ - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:42:50
                    No they don't. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:42:47
                         see: Cuba. yeah, it just destroyed the elites - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:43:35
                              Putin is richer than Trump. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:44:21
                                   these guys... "sanctions hurt the economies...." - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:46:15
                                        Sanctions should precede military action. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:48:56
                                             Like innocent lives (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 11:52:40
                                                  Which method costs more innocent lives? nm - Badird MU - 5/24 11:55:16
                                                       The neocon is cornered (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:17:14
                                                       It's not a contest. - pickle MU - 5/24 11:59:50
               If I eat domestic beef vs Kobe beef - Silas MU - 5/24 11:36:32
                    Dream on. Kobe Bryant's not interested in you. - Emoji Man MSU - 5/24 11:39:01
                    Do you know who could screw up this peaceful equation? - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:38:53
                         Where are you getting this notion of peace? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:45:15
                              Yikes - pickle MU - 5/24 11:57:26
                                   Have these events not happened?? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:58:16
                                        You've been in a coma, alright - pickle MU - 5/24 12:04:25
                                             Link? Ill wait. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:07:58
                              You've gone full NEOCON, friend. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:48:44
                                   I dont want to be friends with Russia. I dont know how that - Badird MU - 5/24 11:51:21
                                        Again, sanctions are an act of war. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:55:23
                                             War costs more lives. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:56:56
                              Russia bankrolled his hotels - Silas MU - 5/24 11:48:11
                         Are they free range chicken folks from Canada? - Silas MU - 5/24 11:42:06
          what authority are you using to justify the US putting - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:31:21




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