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Oh okay, so you're taking the Madeleine Albright

Posted on: May 24, 2017 at 12:07:35 CT

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Ends Justify the Means approach when it comes to starving people for political change in a far away lands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8

You tell me, what kills more people: sanctions or war?

Well, watch that youtube video. Sanctions are not seamless.

Edited by ummmm at 12:10:32 on 05/24/17

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90 has a good point, below: Libs are now NEOCONS. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:29:06

They had to sellout to support Hillary - jlbomega MU - 5/24 12:02:38

yeah the NEOCONS used to be an elite group - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 5/24 11:35:23

it's the greatest thing - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:30:46

You two and Fester are now globalists - JG MU

- 5/24 11:41:24

Coming from the guy who thinks the American political - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:47:22

LOL why is it that every simpleton that can't address - JG MU

- 5/24 11:53:35

BAM. Case closed. (nm) - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:05:34

Yes it is. Thanks - JG MU

- 5/24 12:07:29

nothing you ever say means a ****ing thing, george - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:42:04

To dishonest delusionals, no of course not - JG MU

- 5/24 11:44:19

They brushed over the Reagan Bush folks joining the party. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:37:17

Kristol, Wolfowitz, Cheney? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 5/24 11:45:53

Yup. Trump's a naive, blustering egomaniac who - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:41:31

Seriously... - Badird MU - 5/24 11:30:16

Sanctions are essentially an act of war. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:33:38

Sanctions hurt the economies of those countries. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:40:49

Why would you want to inflict economic strain - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:49:54

Is this a joke? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:54:40

false premise, straw man, the list goes on (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:14:48

No, I would prefer no war making on any kind. - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:56:49

Same convo here - Badird MU - 5/24 11:57:31

Stop dodging and answer his question (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:01:30

But back to your post where you indicate that purpose of - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:59:04

You use sanctions to spur governments to make changes. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:04:38

Oh okay, so you're taking the Madeleine Albright - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:07:35

I am all ears for an alternative to sanctions or war. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:09:59

And....you still don't know you're holding the neocon - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:16:07

Stop dodging and answer ummmm's question(nm) - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:12:48

Peace and trade are the alternatives. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:11:19

Peace will stop Iran from building a bomb? - Badird MU - 5/24 12:15:32

It certainly could, but I am not trying to justify the means - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:20:22

Ummm, I did? Thats what 'personally' means. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:25:45

No, you did not. Adding "personally" before a statement - ummmm MU - 5/24 13:05:09

"Personally, I dont think..." - Badird MU - 5/24 13:24:47

Let me guess - You believed that Iraq actually - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:34:03

I did. And 72% of Americans favored that war before - Badird MU - 5/24 12:37:32

So you know you got suckered into that one and you still - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:38:42

NK tests nukes monthly. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:42:09

Woahhhh NEOCON ALERT!!!!!!!! (nm) - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:18:49

RE: Same convo here - ummmm MU - 5/24 11:58:35

Oh, diplomacy. How simple! - Badird MU - 5/24 12:01:55

Iran has never said that (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:05:41

Wrong. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:07:31

Those links don't support your false claim (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:10:00

How did I misunderstand "There will be no such thing as - Badird MU - 5/24 12:11:04

You: "vowed to wipe Israel off the map" - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:14:07

Im done with you pickle. It cant be any clearer. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:17:00

It isn't the same. (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:29:02

Diplomacy is not simple, but it is moral. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:04:13

Elaborate for me. What do you mean by diplomacy? - Badird MU - 5/24 12:05:28

Talking with the leaders of the area, the ones who are - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:09:11

So there will be no negative repercussions for them if they - Badird MU - 5/24 12:13:35

I don't care if they build the bomb, at all. - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:21:42

I have not. I know your stance. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:24:12

It doesn't matter if I think it is a problem or not. - ummmm MU - 5/24 13:06:38

Ok, so let me try to sum up your entire view... - Badird MU - 5/24 13:46:51

lol just lots of ****ing laughing at you and your - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 14:27:51

Huge fail on your part - ummmm MU - 5/24 14:21:15

You're ignorant (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:31:48

Unfortunately, your government will never try that plan. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:17:26

I am still waiting for a viable alternative to complex - Badird MU - 5/24 12:19:52

It would be good for you to read this entire thread - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:27:46

So no one is concerned with Iran getting WMD's. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:34:21

But heres a question: Why are there US nuclear subs off the - Badird MU - 5/24 12:40:03

Were you concerned about Iraq's phantom WMDs? - Evenflow MU - 5/24 12:39:41

How many countries have used nukes against another - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:15:48

Well, you can start by removing all bases - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:07:51

This too. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/24 12:09:39

^^ supports trickle up sanction policy ^^ - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:42:50

No they don't. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:42:47

see: Cuba. yeah, it just destroyed the elites - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:43:35

Putin is richer than Trump. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:44:21

these guys... "sanctions hurt the economies...." - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:46:15

Sanctions should precede military action. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:48:56

Like innocent lives (nm) - pickle MU

- 5/24 11:52:40

Which method costs more innocent lives? nm - Badird MU - 5/24 11:55:16

The neocon is cornered (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 12:17:14

It's not a contest. - pickle MU

- 5/24 11:59:50

If I eat domestic beef vs Kobe beef - Silas MU - 5/24 11:36:32

Dream on. Kobe Bryant's not interested in you. - Emoji Man MSU - 5/24 11:39:01

Do you know who could screw up this peaceful equation? - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:38:53

Where are you getting this notion of peace? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:45:15

Yikes - pickle MU

- 5/24 11:57:26

Have these events not happened?? - Badird MU - 5/24 11:58:16

You've been in a coma, alright - pickle MU

- 5/24 12:04:25

Link? Ill wait. - Badird MU - 5/24 12:07:58

You've gone full NEOCON, friend. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:48:44

I dont want to be friends with Russia. I dont know how that - Badird MU - 5/24 11:51:21

Again, sanctions are an act of war. - Evenflow MU - 5/24 11:55:23

War costs more lives. - Badird MU - 5/24 11:56:56

Russia bankrolled his hotels - Silas MU - 5/24 11:48:11

Are they free range chicken folks from Canada? - Silas MU - 5/24 11:42:06

what authority are you using to justify the US putting - 90Tiger MU - 5/24 11:31:21

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