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It works nowhere. You are taking a grass is always greener

Posted on: April 12, 2017 at 12:29:57 CT
ummmm MU
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approach here.

Additionally, the US is currently a stone's throw from single payer and about 10,000 miles from a free market.

So, you can look to the US as a place where it does not work.
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Who wants a massive tax increase for single payer healthcare - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 11:44:20
     Basically what I've said forever..We will never - GA Tiger MU - 4/12 12:44:07
          Money is simply the medium. - ummmm MU - 4/12 13:12:10
          You're ignorant - pickle MU - 4/12 13:01:43
     Who thinks paying 25-30% of GDP is a sustainable option - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:31:24
          Lol, big govt is more efficient, cheaper, better. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:39:59
               Medicaid and medicare are very successful. - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:42:42
                    Is 272 billion stolen, successful Rabbit? I think not. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:46:03
          Every other country is providing better health care - Sal KC - 4/12 12:32:50
     Corporate America would like to get rid of employer funded - Knucklehead MU - 4/12 12:09:48
          Yep - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:32:13
          Single payer system would absolutely lead to lower costs - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:12:35
               The utter ignorance, willful or otherwise, of basic economic - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:37:44
                    It has to be willful - Sal KC - 4/12 12:38:23
                         I don't want anything for free - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:40:15
                              and there are many people who are like you - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:41:14
                                   Free markets don't work for health care. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:42:02
                                        you wouldn't know - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:43:17
                                             Free markets do not work for everything. Right from th start - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:55:17
                                                  uh, no he doesn't - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 13:00:53
                                                  What is the free market? Define and describe it (nm) - pickle MU - 4/12 13:00:38
               It wouldn't. It would lead to higher costs (nm) - pickle MU - 4/12 12:32:57
               No it wouldn't. Hidden or shifted costs, maybe. - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:15:54
                    You got rid of about 4 million paper pushing - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:33:22
                         Oh you think the central bureaucracy would be unstaffed? - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:34:13
                              How about 10000 - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:36:21
                                   lol(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:38:05
                    Wealth is not a zero sum game. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:19:09
                         Okay and... ? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:20:58
                              Costs can be lowered via legislation. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:22:45
                                   On a practical note, how dumb do you take us? - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:25:00
                                        No, no, no. - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:34:30
                                             No, I was told that PPACA would make health care more - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:37:44
                                        ACA would have absolutely lowered costs had the - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:29:48
                                             Absolutely not. That would have made everything that much - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:30:57
                                                  The public option would have forced health insurance - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:34:03
                                                       forcing competition - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:38:56
                                                            And what would have happened to these companies who - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:41:07
                                                                 they find other modes of business - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:42:11
                                                       Lol. Yeah, that is how competition arises. By government's - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:36:58
                                                            The libertarian bible - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:37:45
                                                                 It's economics (nm) - pickle MU - 4/12 13:06:47
                                                                 You should read it. Your whole world view is terribly - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:38:20
                                                       You are like rask - pickle MU - 4/12 12:36:25
                                        It works elsewhere. The ACA didn't go far enough. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:26:18
                                             It works nowhere. You are taking a grass is always greener - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:29:57
                                                  RE: It works nowhere. You are taking a grass is always greener - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:34:42
                                                       What are you trying to show me? That the US' centralized - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:35:38
                                                            We do not have a centralized medical system - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:56:43
                                                                 Insurance companies are heavily regulated - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 13:06:23
                                                  Works in Canada. - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:33:43
                                                       What do you mean it "works" in Canada? (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:35:31
                                                            He means he talked to some Canadians about it, and he - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:36:00
                                                                 And that's all it means - Sal KC - 4/12 12:37:06
                                                                      I expect to pay more in taxes. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:40:57
                                                       Again, you are taking a grass is greener approach. It does - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:34:56
                                   No, they physically cannot. - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:24:05
                                        The production process is not the only thing there is. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:29:02
                                             In calculating costs, it is all there is. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:31:19
                                   So force costs to be lower? - Sal KC - 4/12 12:23:21
                                        There are always implications. - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:25:11
                         Y'all are really throwing the popular catch phrases out (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:19:39
                              Dynamite drop in, Monty. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:20:13
               You think the company is going to give the healthcare - tman KC - 4/12 12:14:20
                    Well now you're just critiquing the general nature - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:15:54
                         But as a lib you know that is not what happens. I on the - tman KC - 4/12 12:17:26
                    and even if they did - Sal KC - 4/12 12:14:58
          Is our healthcare system inefficient - Sal KC - 4/12 12:12:01
     works in israel - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/12 12:07:09
          Works in almost every developed state in the world (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:07:55
     Funny funny man - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 11:57:29
          Regardless of numbers, the middle class would be fleeced - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:05:19
               THERE's NO FREE HEALTH CARE - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:10:33
                    Characterize it however you want, but the appeal of - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:14:30
                         High payments for what no one would use ? Huh?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:36:09
                    Almost as stupid as you misusing the word meme (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:10:58
                         RE: Almost as stupid as you misusing the word meme (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 14:33:26
                         "Me-me" is the perfect descriptive term for today's society(nm) - Mormad MU - 4/12 12:12:09
          There would have to be a huge tax increase (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:02:19
               There WOULD be a with-holding tax increase - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:12:08
               No question - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:05:29
                    So we can just impose a national sales tax for it, with no - tman KC - 4/12 12:07:13
                         Is that on top of the convention & visitors bureau taxes - Mormad MU - 4/12 12:09:51
                    which are all inflated right now due to gov't (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:06:00
                         But not at all due to the health insurance companies - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:06:59
                              Those are charities, right? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:12:34
                                   Conservatives like Sal love corporate welfare - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:14:34
                                        That is nothing but liberal rhetoric - Sal KC - 4/12 12:16:12
                                             Why is it okay for the biggest companies in the USA - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:17:10
                                                  You are straying way off topic - Sal KC - 4/12 12:18:37
                                                       They do - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:20:55
                                                            But they'd use the health insurance savings - Sal KC - 4/12 12:21:59
                                                                 Much easier for workers to demand more pay when - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:25:19
               How much greater than insurance premiums? - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:04:00
                    Are we still subsidizing those who have their premiums - tman KC - 4/12 12:05:52
          Keep pretending it's free Ras. Prove them wrong. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:00:20
               Never said free dipweed. Weak - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:03:28
                    No, you miserable lying tool, you never admit what it costs. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:23:08
                         Someone is angry. Therapy will be included in single payer.(nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:23:42
                              Lol. No, just tired of Ras never mentioning the actual cost - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:33:34
          Still no answers to my questions. I re asked below. Are - hokie VT - 4/12 11:58:32
               I don't have time for every picayune request sorry - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:00:25
                    Gutless. You could have answered the pickayune request - hokie VT - 4/12 12:05:42
                    lol you late for a drum circle hippie?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/12 12:03:06
     if the govt. is going to be involved at all with healthcare - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 4/12 11:53:55
     Europeans regularly get told no on top of having - Civil-E-Tiger MU - 4/12 11:50:55
          Link? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/12 12:07:52
          Ok wait... - Badird MU - 4/12 12:00:15
          No - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 11:59:25
               you're wrong - FootballRefugee MU - 4/12 12:04:07
                    Read this then. - Badird MU - 4/12 12:36:13
                    My LORD you guys squirm when cornered - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:16:13
     The 45% do not think they would pay into this - TGR84 MU - 4/12 11:49:08
     Whats a better alternative that offers all of the things - Badird MU - 4/12 11:49:01
          Compete across state lines. Tort reform. limited plans. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 11:56:03
               I appreciate you putting this on paper - Badird MU - 4/12 12:15:54
                    You do realize, lawyers single biggest dem donors? - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:30:29
               Good of you to stress the importance of competition across - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:01:51
     If I get cancer I want to wait a year and a half before - Emoji Man MSU - 4/12 11:47:10
          will that only kill this handle? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/12 12:08:55




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