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Characterize it however you want, but the appeal of

Posted on: April 12, 2017 at 12:14:30 CT
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"single" payer systems is that there is no or limited up front charge to users on health care. That is what you want, so don't lie about that.

If you can understand that it's not "free" and that it, in fact, entails a great deal of higher taxes on all people (especially the middle class) to provide a product that many people will not even use, then you are dumber than I thought.

I mean, that is just really, really dumb. To have that understanding, and still want it.
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Who wants a massive tax increase for single payer healthcare - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 11:44:20
     Basically what I've said forever..We will never - GA Tiger MU - 4/12 12:44:07
          Money is simply the medium. - ummmm MU - 4/12 13:12:10
          You're ignorant - pickle MU - 4/12 13:01:43
     Who thinks paying 25-30% of GDP is a sustainable option - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:31:24
          Lol, big govt is more efficient, cheaper, better. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:39:59
               Medicaid and medicare are very successful. - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:42:42
                    Is 272 billion stolen, successful Rabbit? I think not. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:46:03
          Every other country is providing better health care - Sal KC - 4/12 12:32:50
     Corporate America would like to get rid of employer funded - Knucklehead MU - 4/12 12:09:48
          Yep - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:32:13
          Single payer system would absolutely lead to lower costs - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:12:35
               The utter ignorance, willful or otherwise, of basic economic - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:37:44
                    It has to be willful - Sal KC - 4/12 12:38:23
                         I don't want anything for free - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:40:15
                              and there are many people who are like you - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:41:14
                                   Free markets don't work for health care. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:42:02
                                        you wouldn't know - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:43:17
                                             Free markets do not work for everything. Right from th start - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:55:17
                                                  uh, no he doesn't - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 13:00:53
                                                  What is the free market? Define and describe it (nm) - pickle MU - 4/12 13:00:38
               It wouldn't. It would lead to higher costs (nm) - pickle MU - 4/12 12:32:57
               No it wouldn't. Hidden or shifted costs, maybe. - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:15:54
                    You got rid of about 4 million paper pushing - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:33:22
                         Oh you think the central bureaucracy would be unstaffed? - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:34:13
                              How about 10000 - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:36:21
                                   lol(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:38:05
                    Wealth is not a zero sum game. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:19:09
                         Okay and... ? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:20:58
                              Costs can be lowered via legislation. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:22:45
                                   On a practical note, how dumb do you take us? - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:25:00
                                        No, no, no. - Rabbit Test MU - 4/12 12:34:30
                                             No, I was told that PPACA would make health care more - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:37:44
                                        ACA would have absolutely lowered costs had the - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:29:48
                                             Absolutely not. That would have made everything that much - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:30:57
                                                  The public option would have forced health insurance - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:34:03
                                                       forcing competition - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:38:56
                                                            And what would have happened to these companies who - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:41:07
                                                                 they find other modes of business - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 12:42:11
                                                       Lol. Yeah, that is how competition arises. By government's - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:36:58
                                                            The libertarian bible - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:37:45
                                                                 It's economics (nm) - pickle MU - 4/12 13:06:47
                                                                 You should read it. Your whole world view is terribly - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:38:20
                                                       You are like rask - pickle MU - 4/12 12:36:25
                                        It works elsewhere. The ACA didn't go far enough. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:26:18
                                             It works nowhere. You are taking a grass is always greener - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:29:57
                                                  RE: It works nowhere. You are taking a grass is always greener - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:34:42
                                                       What are you trying to show me? That the US' centralized - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:35:38
                                                            We do not have a centralized medical system - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:56:43
                                                                 Insurance companies are heavily regulated - MizzouAstro MU - 4/12 13:06:23
                                                  Works in Canada. - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:33:43
                                                       What do you mean it "works" in Canada? (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:35:31
                                                            He means he talked to some Canadians about it, and he - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:36:00
                                                                 And that's all it means - Sal KC - 4/12 12:37:06
                                                                      I expect to pay more in taxes. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:40:57
                                                       Again, you are taking a grass is greener approach. It does - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:34:56
                                   No, they physically cannot. - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:24:05
                                        The production process is not the only thing there is. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:29:02
                                             In calculating costs, it is all there is. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:31:19
                                   So force costs to be lower? - Sal KC - 4/12 12:23:21
                                        There are always implications. - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:25:11
                         Y'all are really throwing the popular catch phrases out (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:19:39
                              Dynamite drop in, Monty. (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:20:13
               You think the company is going to give the healthcare - tman KC - 4/12 12:14:20
                    Well now you're just critiquing the general nature - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:15:54
                         But as a lib you know that is not what happens. I on the - tman KC - 4/12 12:17:26
                    and even if they did - Sal KC - 4/12 12:14:58
          Is our healthcare system inefficient - Sal KC - 4/12 12:12:01
     works in israel - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/12 12:07:09
          Works in almost every developed state in the world (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:07:55
     Funny funny man - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 11:57:29
          Regardless of numbers, the middle class would be fleeced - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:05:19
               THERE's NO FREE HEALTH CARE - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:10:33
                    Characterize it however you want, but the appeal of - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:14:30
                         High payments for what no one would use ? Huh?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:36:09
                    Almost as stupid as you misusing the word meme (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:10:58
                         RE: Almost as stupid as you misusing the word meme (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 14:33:26
                         "Me-me" is the perfect descriptive term for today's society(nm) - Mormad MU - 4/12 12:12:09
          There would have to be a huge tax increase (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:02:19
               There WOULD be a with-holding tax increase - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:12:08
               No question - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:05:29
                    So we can just impose a national sales tax for it, with no - tman KC - 4/12 12:07:13
                         Is that on top of the convention & visitors bureau taxes - Mormad MU - 4/12 12:09:51
                    which are all inflated right now due to gov't (nm) - Sal KC - 4/12 12:06:00
                         But not at all due to the health insurance companies - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:06:59
                              Those are charities, right? (nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:12:34
                                   Conservatives like Sal love corporate welfare - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:14:34
                                        That is nothing but liberal rhetoric - Sal KC - 4/12 12:16:12
                                             Why is it okay for the biggest companies in the USA - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:17:10
                                                  You are straying way off topic - Sal KC - 4/12 12:18:37
                                                       They do - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:20:55
                                                            But they'd use the health insurance savings - Sal KC - 4/12 12:21:59
                                                                 Much easier for workers to demand more pay when - MrBlueSky MU - 4/12 12:25:19
               How much greater than insurance premiums? - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:04:00
                    Are we still subsidizing those who have their premiums - tman KC - 4/12 12:05:52
          Keep pretending it's free Ras. Prove them wrong. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:00:20
               Never said free dipweed. Weak - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:03:28
                    No, you miserable lying tool, you never admit what it costs. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:23:08
                         Someone is angry. Therapy will be included in single payer.(nm) - tigerspy MU - 4/12 12:23:42
                              Lol. No, just tired of Ras never mentioning the actual cost - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:33:34
          Still no answers to my questions. I re asked below. Are - hokie VT - 4/12 11:58:32
               I don't have time for every picayune request sorry - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:00:25
                    Gutless. You could have answered the pickayune request - hokie VT - 4/12 12:05:42
                    lol you late for a drum circle hippie?(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/12 12:03:06
     if the govt. is going to be involved at all with healthcare - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 4/12 11:53:55
     Europeans regularly get told no on top of having - Civil-E-Tiger MU - 4/12 11:50:55
          Link? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/12 12:07:52
          Ok wait... - Badird MU - 4/12 12:00:15
          No - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 11:59:25
               you're wrong - FootballRefugee MU - 4/12 12:04:07
                    Read this then. - Badird MU - 4/12 12:36:13
                    My LORD you guys squirm when cornered - raskolnikov MU - 4/12 12:16:13
     The 45% do not think they would pay into this - TGR84 MU - 4/12 11:49:08
     Whats a better alternative that offers all of the things - Badird MU - 4/12 11:49:01
          Compete across state lines. Tort reform. limited plans. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 11:56:03
               I appreciate you putting this on paper - Badird MU - 4/12 12:15:54
                    You do realize, lawyers single biggest dem donors? - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/12 12:30:29
               Good of you to stress the importance of competition across - ummmm MU - 4/12 12:01:51
     If I get cancer I want to wait a year and a half before - Emoji Man MSU - 4/12 11:47:10
          will that only kill this handle? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/12 12:08:55




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