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He definitely overestimated how long it would take for

Posted on: August 15, 2025 at 00:08:50 CT
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Russia to win the war, but said both he & Putin thought that Zelenski would see the writing on the wall & negotiate a deal before massive bloodshed & destruction. He claims that because of that Russia didn't mobilize a huge force, and went in just to show he was serious, thinking that would be enough.

Obviously the West went in full bore with their plan to draw Russia in & then bog them down in a quagmire.

He did also claim that they were indeed trying to go very easy on the civilians & the infrastructure as they considered the Ukrainians, especially in the east as brothers/Russians. Apparently many of the eastern Ukrainians feel the same way.

He also claimed that there were behind the scenes battles between the generals who wanted to go full bore and end the war quickly and Putin who wanted to minimize casualties on both sides and not pull NATO & the US directly into the war.

Not sure how much of that is true... It is said that truth is the first casualty of war, after all. But it does make sense that Ukraine is vastly outnumbered & is now at a big weapons disadvantage as well. They've been publicly crying about that for quite some time. They're also obviously very short on manpower, which is certainly understandable and to be expected when going up against a far larger country in a war that has dragged on for some 3 years now.

I'll ask you the same question I've asked Rask & a couple of others:

If you were president, or king, and could control US policy, what would you do in this situation?
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     His military opinion lacks depth currently - Spanky KU - 8/14 23:21:32
          He definitely overestimated how long it would take for - JeffB MU - 8/15 00:08:50
     Trump has never wanted to continue down this path. He - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:18:15
          Lol. So ignorant(nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 05:33:21
          Good post and agree, but can you imagine the pressure - MUTGR MU - 8/14 22:31:20
               No it isn't. That's false (nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 05:34:07
               There are those attempting to pressure him, but he's a lame - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:34:59
                    I hope so, but I fear he will cave to the pressure. It may - MUTGR MU - 8/14 22:39:59
                         I have no doubt that much more than just political pressure - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:47:44
                         that is always possible (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:40:49
               This war is the very opposite of America First. (nm) - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:33:55
                    I'm pretty sure his instinct has been from the - MUTGR MU - 8/14 22:47:24
                         Stop making excuses and admit you got played - Seagull MU - 8/15 05:36:15
                         I agree with you (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:47:46
                    yes and it's been a priority to Trump since day 1 (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:35:35
                         Oh yeah. When he was going to end it - Seagull MU - 8/15 05:37:10
          Amazing you know what Trump, a man you don't know, wants - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 22:22:58
               Amazing you would - Panthera MU - 8/15 05:29:33
               Your incredible lack of self awareness - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 22:30:42
                    good call. Mac knows Trump is a rapist, pedophile, etc - bu - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:32:25
                         It's pretty incredible how often he chastises people for - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 22:35:43
                              You could certainly write a dissertation on Being a Dumb Ass - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 22:41:41
                                   You should pipe down - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 22:46:12
                                   RE: You could certainly write a dissertation on Being a Dumb Ass - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:43:19
               slurp (nm) - tman MU - 8/14 22:28:32
               i've heard a ton from him directly out of his mouth - i - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:25:54
               That is quite a tangent that you veered off into. Why? (nm) - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:25:36
                    I don't respect this man or the way he prods me. I prod back - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 22:32:47
                         I don't "make fun of Jesus". I make fun of people like you w - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:37:10
                              if he were the Son of God?" If? - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 22:44:00
                                   is this where you replace Faith with "but it's fact"? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:45:22
                         He wasn't doing any of that here, if he was, a response - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:36:37
          I agree, other than this typo(?): - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:21:19
               no. i mean he has to find ground both sides can accept - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:38:24
                    OK. I think it is true that they could find ground that - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:44:11




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