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Immigrants are voluntarily submitting to the governments of

Posted on: June 11, 2024 at 16:12:27 CT
JeffB MU
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the lands they immigrate to, no?

Presumably the same is true of people who move from one state or city to another... or when they buy a home within the bounds of a certain country, city, state etc.
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A question for pickle: Are ALL governments evil? - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:23:21
     Good luck with a question to The Idiot. He doesn't dialogue, - hokie VT - 6/11 16:33:15
          everything you said is what YOU do. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 16:56:54
               fwiw, much of what hokie posted there matches up well - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:15:36
               An elf is a surrogate for The Idiot. That's sweet. Nm - hokie VT - 6/11 17:05:10
     HOA's are not even close to government - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:35:50
          Are you an anarchist, or do you diverge from pickle & some - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:51:05
               Not sure I would call governments illegitimate - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:57:37
                    Being smaller and fee based is certainly possible. - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:10:15
          It's kind of similar to a gov't (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:46:40
               it isn’t though. HOAs are voluntary associations - pickle MU - 6/11 15:54:06
                    Both are voluntary - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:03:39
                         I moved to a different county. That’s far enough to get - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 16:53:20
                              Didn’t have to move to a new county to escape a HOA - Spanky KU - 6/11 17:25:46
                                   Sure. But moving ~30 miles got me out of a neighborhood - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:24:44
                                        How large was it when your ancestors moved here? (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/11 19:29:54
                    Governments could theoretically be voluntary, no? - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:00:20
                         If governments went more via user fees - meatiger MU - 6/11 16:02:00
                              Do HOA’s go more via user fees? - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:05:30
                                   HOA's are funded via user fees - meatiger MU - 6/11 16:08:27
                                        Immigrants are voluntarily submitting to the governments of - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:12:27
                                             and everyone here has likely moved from their parents' home - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:43:33
                                        HOA’s monthly dues are essentially a tax - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:12:02
                                        Can you refuse to join the HOA? - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:10:50
                                             Yes. When I bought my house, I joined an HOA voluntarily. I - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 17:10:38
                                                  As an adult you have the ability to renounce the citizenship - Spanky KU - 6/11 17:26:54
                                                       A minor cannot enter a legally binding contract. Citizenship - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:21:41
                                                            That is the same with an HOA. The child is bound by the HOA - JeffB MU - 6/11 19:26:46
                                                  If your parents owned a home within the territorial - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:12:24
                                                       I would be a minor and subject to my parents. The HOA - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:20:24
                                                            it’s a dumb argument. The only one bound to the HOA - pickle MU - 6/11 20:25:56
                                                                 Practically speaking, the children are also subject to HOA - JeffB MU - 6/11 22:47:02
                                                            The IRS, FBI or local police probably weren't looking for - JeffB MU - 6/11 19:35:28
               Except it is completely voluntary(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:49:56
                    "similar to" (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:54:40
                         the force makes it much much different - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:55:53
                              I am not sure how it's close to a corporation (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:56:22
                                   A voluntary group of people for a common purpose - pickle MU - 6/11 16:09:01
                                        and governments typically start out as a voluntary group of - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:23:35
                                   The leadership structure - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:59:02
                                        Sounds kind of like the US Government (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 16:46:00
                                        Governments also have similar structure and are incorporated - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:28:16
                    OK, do you think that completely voluntary governments are - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:51:59
                         What is a voluntary government?(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:54:40
                              one you can leave if you wish to do so(nm) - tman MU - 6/11 16:08:49
                                   and join... or not... your choice. (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:42:17
                                        that is there complaint. you didn't voluntarily - tman MU - 6/11 16:51:48
                                             Your parents chose. - haeffb MU - 6/11 16:54:24
                                                  they didn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 6/11 17:01:32
                                                       Unless your parents were dragged here in chains, or were - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:29:22
                                                       Their parents did (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 17:22:11
                                                            they didn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 6/11 17:28:15
                                                                 Their parents did (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 17:31:43
                                                                      That’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 6/11 17:53:06
                                                                           No, it’s correct. - haeffb MU - 6/11 18:04:29
                                                                                no, it isn’t - pickle MU - 6/11 18:22:49
                                                                                     Yeah, I know - haeffb MU - 6/11 18:34:29
                                                                 Both you & your parents were subject to the government, - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:30:42
                                                                      HOA is a signed agreement. US citizenship is imposed.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:25:42
                                                                           Imposed how? (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 19:36:49
                                                       (moved) - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:19:16
                                                  Which is true of an HOA as much as any other government. (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:59:43
          Do you disagree with my assertions that they have land - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:46:23
               It is private property - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:53:06
                    Disputes aren't always arbitrated. Some go through the court - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:14:45
                    so how is that like a corporation? - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:56:06
          They are voted on by the residents - Spanky KU - 6/11 15:44:09
               Yes - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:54:03
                    and if you inherit a home with a HOA? - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:09:01
                         Really stupid analogy. When my parents die, I won’t be - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 16:51:17
                              Many people move back into their childhood home(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/11 18:44:20
                                   That is their choice. Voluntarily. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:22:15
                              Pretty much the same regarding the city, state, county & - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:57:22
     Govt is legit only if it doesn't have age of consent laws (nm) - Columbian Gold MU - 6/11 15:34:32




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