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Being smaller and fee based is certainly possible.

Posted on: June 11, 2024 at 16:10:15 CT
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But many of the things that people want and expect from a government would be very difficult to provide without some form of taxes, it seems to me.

The problems of having governments be completely voluntary are pretty large, unless they are formed in a fashion similar to an HOA. Perhaps someone or some corporation or whatever owns a huge tract of land, sets up some sort of government structure and subdivides it, requiring within its territorial boundaries to be subject to that government. Then they could sell or gift property to others and everyone owning or leasing any of that land is subject to that government. They all agreed to submit to it voluntarily.

The alternative for a voluntary government would be to have a community where there could be a hodgepodge of governments. You might be in one government, your next door neighbor in a different government, the neighbor on the other side might refuse to belong to any government and so on.

That type of arrangement could pose all kinds of problems, obviously.
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A question for pickle: Are ALL governments evil? - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:23:21
     Good luck with a question to The Idiot. He doesn't dialogue, - hokie VT - 6/11 16:33:15
          everything you said is what YOU do. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 16:56:54
               fwiw, much of what hokie posted there matches up well - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:15:36
               An elf is a surrogate for The Idiot. That's sweet. Nm - hokie VT - 6/11 17:05:10
     HOA's are not even close to government - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:35:50
          Are you an anarchist, or do you diverge from pickle & some - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:51:05
               Not sure I would call governments illegitimate - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:57:37
                    Being smaller and fee based is certainly possible. - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:10:15
          It's kind of similar to a gov't (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:46:40
               it isn’t though. HOAs are voluntary associations - pickle MU - 6/11 15:54:06
                    Both are voluntary - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:03:39
                         I moved to a different county. That’s far enough to get - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 16:53:20
                              Didn’t have to move to a new county to escape a HOA - Spanky KU - 6/11 17:25:46
                                   Sure. But moving ~30 miles got me out of a neighborhood - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:24:44
                                        How large was it when your ancestors moved here? (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/11 19:29:54
                    Governments could theoretically be voluntary, no? - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:00:20
                         If governments went more via user fees - meatiger MU - 6/11 16:02:00
                              Do HOA’s go more via user fees? - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:05:30
                                   HOA's are funded via user fees - meatiger MU - 6/11 16:08:27
                                        Immigrants are voluntarily submitting to the governments of - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:12:27
                                             and everyone here has likely moved from their parents' home - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:43:33
                                        HOA’s monthly dues are essentially a tax - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:12:02
                                        Can you refuse to join the HOA? - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:10:50
                                             Yes. When I bought my house, I joined an HOA voluntarily. I - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 17:10:38
                                                  As an adult you have the ability to renounce the citizenship - Spanky KU - 6/11 17:26:54
                                                       A minor cannot enter a legally binding contract. Citizenship - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:21:41
                                                            That is the same with an HOA. The child is bound by the HOA - JeffB MU - 6/11 19:26:46
                                                  If your parents owned a home within the territorial - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:12:24
                                                       I would be a minor and subject to my parents. The HOA - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:20:24
                                                            it’s a dumb argument. The only one bound to the HOA - pickle MU - 6/11 20:25:56
                                                                 Practically speaking, the children are also subject to HOA - JeffB MU - 6/11 22:47:02
                                                            The IRS, FBI or local police probably weren't looking for - JeffB MU - 6/11 19:35:28
               Except it is completely voluntary(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:49:56
                    "similar to" (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:54:40
                         the force makes it much much different - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:55:53
                              I am not sure how it's close to a corporation (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:56:22
                                   A voluntary group of people for a common purpose - pickle MU - 6/11 16:09:01
                                        and governments typically start out as a voluntary group of - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:23:35
                                   The leadership structure - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:59:02
                                        Sounds kind of like the US Government (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 16:46:00
                                        Governments also have similar structure and are incorporated - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:28:16
                    OK, do you think that completely voluntary governments are - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:51:59
                         What is a voluntary government?(nm) - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:54:40
                              one you can leave if you wish to do so(nm) - tman MU - 6/11 16:08:49
                                   and join... or not... your choice. (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:42:17
                                        that is there complaint. you didn't voluntarily - tman MU - 6/11 16:51:48
                                             Your parents chose. - haeffb MU - 6/11 16:54:24
                                                  they didn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 6/11 17:01:32
                                                       Unless your parents were dragged here in chains, or were - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:29:22
                                                       Their parents did (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 17:22:11
                                                            they didn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 6/11 17:28:15
                                                                 Their parents did (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 17:31:43
                                                                      That’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 6/11 17:53:06
                                                                           No, it’s correct. - haeffb MU - 6/11 18:04:29
                                                                                no, it isn’t - pickle MU - 6/11 18:22:49
                                                                                     Yeah, I know - haeffb MU - 6/11 18:34:29
                                                                 Both you & your parents were subject to the government, - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:30:42
                                                                      HOA is a signed agreement. US citizenship is imposed.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:25:42
                                                                           Imposed how? (nm) - haeffb MU - 6/11 19:36:49
                                                       (moved) - JeffB MU - 6/11 17:19:16
                                                  Which is true of an HOA as much as any other government. (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:59:43
          Do you disagree with my assertions that they have land - JeffB MU - 6/11 15:46:23
               It is private property - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:53:06
                    Disputes aren't always arbitrated. Some go through the court - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:14:45
                    so how is that like a corporation? - Sal CMSU - 6/11 15:56:06
          They are voted on by the residents - Spanky KU - 6/11 15:44:09
               Yes - meatiger MU - 6/11 15:54:03
                    and if you inherit a home with a HOA? - Spanky KU - 6/11 16:09:01
                         Really stupid analogy. When my parents die, I won’t be - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 16:51:17
                              Many people move back into their childhood home(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/11 18:44:20
                                   That is their choice. Voluntarily. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 6/11 19:22:15
                              Pretty much the same regarding the city, state, county & - JeffB MU - 6/11 16:57:22
     Govt is legit only if it doesn't have age of consent laws (nm) - Columbian Gold MU - 6/11 15:34:32




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