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Should security be free?

Posted on: November 30, 2023 at 09:05:16 CT

meatiger MU

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Would you rather have a choice in your security, or be forced into State provided security, which may or may not have your interests aligned? Or, as we are seeing now, the State decides if a thief takes $100 from you it does not matter

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I'm starting to believe in the whole "natural rights" - hokie VT - 11/30 07:37:56

The US is / was based on natural rights you moran (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 10:31:27

Key words "based on". It'd more accurate to have said - hokie VT - 11/30 11:36:31

some did, some didn't. It's God's Nature or just Nature and - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 12:54:24

troll (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 08:30:19

Why do you keep claiming - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:54:14

And while I don't disagree, I'll again ask the question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:08:36

Natural law isn’t forced upon anyone. That is why - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 08:53:08

If someone believes the strong should rule - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:55:56

oh boy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 10:31:57

oh, dear (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 09:11:12

It’s amazing people will argue against principles - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:26:54

I am simply asking why you believe this moral code - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:27:57

“Mind your own business” is not a positive action - pickle MU

- 11/30 09:43:27

It requires no one to do anything against others. Every - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:33:18

Because it is theft. If something was taken from them - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:09:16

They may not be that upset and may simply - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:10:51

Perhaps you don’t grasp what force means. Doing nothing - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:15:30

I am not arguing with you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:18:01

logic and reason (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 09:20:53

Of course it is the best one. It originates with God. - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:20:35

So imposing your moral code on others is fine - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:21:44

Do nothing is not an imposition. How do you not grasp that?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:22:28

Willful ignorance and some trolling (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 11/30 09:38:58

In your view that is the case - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:24:41

In your scenario, who is the one taking action?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:25:13

Who takes action is your determinant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:26:58

Who is taking action against another person?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:29:01

incorrect (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 08:34:41

You can live however you wish - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:10:44

You didn't answer my question. Again. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:12:48

So are you asking what you do with people who break - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 08:51:36

No, I am asking why he accuses others of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:54:33

wrong. your example requires POSITIVE action - pickle MU

- 11/30 09:22:06

Natural Law isn’t inflicted. You can’t inflict something - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:10:48

If someone believes the strong win - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:12:08

Same as now. Theft is morally wrong. Those who violate - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:18:01

That has been called mob rule - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:18:55

lol no (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 09:44:06

HOA rules are agreed upon at time of purchase. The contract - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:21:44

So agree with the majority who made the rules - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:23:01

No. It is voluntary to join an HOA. You get all the HOA - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:24:42

Yes. I have no say. Some majority made the rules - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:26:02

no say? don't join. Do you have a choice to join - 90Tiger STL - 11/30 10:33:57

false (nm) - pickle MU

- 11/30 09:44:32

Of course you do. You had your say at the time you chose to - TigerMatt STL - 11/30 09:28:11

because he's a troll. Also, - SwampTiger MU - 11/30 07:57:35

I guess I meant to say - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:58:53

You actually MEANT to say that? Why? Nm - hokie VT - 11/30 08:06:20

Why - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:08:13

So, you actually intended to say... to CLARIFY with - hokie VT - 11/30 08:27:30

What methofs would those be? (nm) - Outsider MU - 11/30 07:56:21

It has been discussed so many times on here(nm) - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:58:07

Apparently not very convincingly. (nm) - Outsider MU - 11/30 07:59:23

They "discuss" things on here by posting "LOL" or saying - hokie VT - 11/30 09:30:51

If you decide to not actually pay attention - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:00:36

I'm just asking you to explain your post... - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:04:40

It is more about what is a crime than anything - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:07:23

So in your version of Valhalla, someone considering - hokie VT - 11/30 08:13:30

Why would he pay it back? Who or what is going to - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:19:31

why should the government profit - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:15:02

And yes, if restitution is paid - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:16:40

You think that's a sufficient deterrent…? There is a - hokie VT - 11/30 08:25:00

I am not concerned about deterrent - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:42:06

Wow, that sounds really simple. Do the people in the - hokie VT - 11/30 09:17:13

So if your children need to get to school - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:45:44

To some extent that is being done today already - meatiger MU - 11/30 08:57:25

Yes, but you believe that should be up to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:59:08

I think people should pay for their own security - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:02:25

Ok. Thanks for that. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:03:23

Should security be free? - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:05:16

No one is prohibiting anyone from taking - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:08:26

And ive seen this many times and yet not once - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:09:53

Don't hold your breath for a legitimate answer here. Nm - hokie VT - 11/30 07:57:26

I believe in natural rights bestowed on man - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 07:48:01

society = all voluntary interactions between individuals - pickle MU

- 11/30 08:32:07

How are they bestowed, if people don't know what - hokie VT - 11/30 08:04:47

They named them and set up protections for them - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:11:07

How do they know they correctly interpreted God's will? Nm - hokie VT - 11/30 08:28:57

They likely aren’t 100% sure - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:33:34

Its been discussed more times than meat can - Outsider MU - 11/30 08:06:18

Except that imo Michigan is a sane and honest person. He - hokie VT - 11/30 08:08:52

Thank you hokie - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:34:26

So what has been the traditional culture of USA - meatiger MU - 11/30 07:56:12

Judeo Christian moral code - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 08:03:22