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Posted on: November 25, 2022 at 09:54:08 CT
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35 or so, married with two kids. Very liberal. Very intelligent.

We talked about Elon musk and Twitter, and where musk is on the ideological spectrum. We seemed to settle on some mix of capitalist and libertarian with a bent towards the first amendment.

He said that people should allowed to express their opinions as long as they are factual. I said, the determination of what is factual is pivotal, and may depend on the ideology of the person making that judgment. He thought for a second and then agreed.

We talked about the Hunter Biden thing , he was very very unfamiliar with it. Surprisingly so.

I said that it can be argued that there is no proof of his corruption, but it cannot be argued credibly in my opinion, that there is no evidence of his corruption. I mentioned the red flags at the banks, the bobilinski testimony, the Photographs of whispering Joe with his communist business partners.

The liberal argued that if this is true, then it should be investigated. This is after I had suggested that not investigating this is clear evidence of corruption.

He was also not familiar with Facebook being approached by the FBI , and encouraged to censor certain opinions.

A very bright man, yet very ignorant of anything other than one side of issues. Educable and seemingly willing and curious to know more. But thus far in a liberal bubble.

The rest of the guests were on pins and needles as we discussed this. Perfectly civil, not loud, no name-calling, and no belligerence at all.

Good time, talking with an intelligent person with a different opinion and different informational foundation.
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My Thanksgiving conversation with a liberal. He's about - hokie VT - 11/25 09:54:08
     Very liberal and very intelligent do not go together - OntheMark MU - 11/25 21:59:22
     You said that what is factual is reliant on ideology? - raskolnikov MU - 11/25 11:23:57
          no, he said the interpretation & determination of what is - zounami MU - 11/25 11:25:49
               Yes he said that many partisans refuse to accept facts - JG MU - 11/25 12:16:03
               And what is factual is NOT determined by ideology - raskolnikov MU - 11/25 11:41:12
                    Here's a simple example for you - BigDave MU - 11/25 12:20:28
                         That's a good example of how interpretation gets - KC rules MU - 11/26 11:10:19
                         No. Fact is not dependent on perspective. that was a lot of - raskolnikov MU - 11/25 13:41:18
                              Nonsense - BigDave MU - 11/25 14:08:29
                                   You can dispute what is a fact or not - JG MU - 11/25 14:11:55
                         No you may misinterpret the facts due to your own - JG MU - 11/25 12:35:19
                              Come on, you are a scientist - BigDave MU - 11/25 12:50:47
                                   observations and facts are not exactly the same thing - JG MU - 11/25 14:09:55
                    What many BELIEVE to be a factual is based on ideology. Is - hokie VT - 11/25 11:53:57
                         there have always been multiple genders - ashtray UF - 11/25 12:44:37
                         You want to get into that ? - raskolnikov MU - 11/25 12:13:07
                    Then you made a straw man argument, refuting a point - zounami MU - 11/25 11:42:56
                         Here Dipsht - Just what I said - raskolnikov MU - 11/25 11:53:09
                              You still don't understand his nuanced argument... - zounami MU - 11/25 12:01:28
                                   His statement was incorrect. What he wanted to say - raskolnikov MU - 11/25 12:17:20
                                   Even if you convinced him, he wouldn't admit it. Nm - hokie VT - 11/25 12:04:00
                                        I don't think he's capable of understanding it. (nm) - zounami MU - 11/25 12:04:38
     RE: My Thanksgiving conversation with a liberal. He's about - TigerJW MU - 11/25 11:23:42
          Very woke, hates trump, paints the toenails of 5 yo - hokie VT - 11/25 11:35:19
               Better question: What makes you think he's smart?... - zounami MU - 11/25 11:42:12
                    He is very well educated, very well spoken thinks logically - hokie VT - 11/25 11:58:49
                         educated & intelligent are two different things.... - zounami MU - 11/25 12:03:40
     Good try, but uninformed people are not intelligent like - tigertix MU - 11/25 11:10:30
          Disagree. Brilliant people can be ignorant, and morons can - hokie VT - 11/25 11:37:03
               Brilliant people think for themselves. This guy is a sheep - zounami MU - 11/25 11:45:11
          I mentioned the CBS acknowledgment. He had heard of it - hokie VT - 11/25 10:59:29
     'Very Liberal. Very Intelligent.' - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 11/25 10:52:11
          I've never met a liberal who's smarter than I am. (nm) - zounami MU - 11/25 11:18:47
               Regardless of polical leanings, there are very few - tigerdb MU - 11/25 11:46:48
                    says the guy who can't spell "political" (nm) - zounami MU - 11/25 11:49:57
               ...and that includes classical & neoliberals (nm) - zounami MU - 11/25 11:27:54
     when I was in my thirties - fatrat MU - 11/25 10:37:34
     Oh dear 🤦‍♂️(nm) - mizzoumurfkc KC - 11/25 10:36:10
          That's all you have? Oh, it's you. Never mind. Nm - hokie VT - 11/25 10:53:38
     I think there are many millions in his peer group which - GA Tiger MU - 11/25 10:33:23
          Like most very well educated liberals, there was an air - hokie VT - 11/25 10:48:34
               than me.(nm) - TrumpToRushmore MU - 11/25 10:53:52
                    I'm sure you're right but your intelligence didn't come up. - hokie VT - 11/25 10:57:21
     When Hunter gets subpoenaed to testify and refuses... - TigerJW MU - 11/25 10:31:44
     Why would anyone - Ferg MU - 11/25 10:17:06
          That's cuz you are a 'normal'...these - mizzoumurfkc KC - 11/25 10:41:11
               who was "whining" in the OP? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 11:14:32
               be careful - Ferg MU - 11/25 10:45:31
                    who broke you? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 11:14:50
                    That's not true - Wildcat KSU - 11/25 10:46:52
          Looks like Hunter Biden was brought up as an - ummmm MU - 11/25 10:37:11
          Politics is more interesting, and critical, than all that.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 11/25 10:34:46
          Everyone loves to hear about your kids (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 10:29:19
          Why does a squirrel bury his nuts in so many different - Toger STL - 11/25 10:29:00
          why would anyone talk about golf at Thanksgiving dinner? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 10:28:50
          You ask on a political chat board, why anyone would - hokie VT - 11/25 10:21:31
     What happened when he asked you what degrees you have - hefeweizen MU - 11/25 10:15:50
          It didn't come up, but I would have proudly stated that I - hokie VT - 11/25 10:35:00
     Did he kill himself then? - tigerdb MU - 11/25 10:12:47
          ^^^Sounds like he might vote for democrats. Just a WAG.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 11/25 10:35:56
          Especially a retard that gets all of his info from kook - hefeweizen MU - 11/25 10:16:53
               That's no doubt what the "liberal" assumed in this case... - zounami MU - 11/25 11:21:27
                    The lib was not aware that Twitter censored the NY post. Nm - hokie VT - 11/25 11:41:29
                         Exactly. That's a perfect example. (nm) - zounami MU - 11/25 11:44:19
                    RE: That's no doubt what the "liberal" assumed in this case... - TigerJW MU - 11/25 11:24:27
                         hokie? (nm) - zounami MU - 11/25 11:29:11
          he apparently was involved actively in the discussion (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 10:16:00
               I think Debbie's question is based on the surprise that - hokie VT - 11/25 10:23:37
                    so will you be following his example? - ashtray UF - 11/25 10:46:58
                         He's apparently mature in real life too (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/25 11:15:24
                              You and ashtray Ignore the post to bash the poster. You - hokie VT - 11/25 12:02:07
                                   how did I bash you? I was providing constructive criticsm - ashtray UF - 11/25 12:36:56
                    why is he worried about it if the other person was engaged - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 10:29:56
                         Did I say anything about being engaged or interested, teetee - tigerdb MU - 11/25 10:36:39
                              Apparently the person he was speaking with didn't mind, so - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 11:16:09
                                   apparently, according to hokey. - tigerdb MU - 11/25 11:35:48
                                        WTF makes you think I'd bring it up? Why are you being so - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 11:36:55
                                             WTF makes you think some intelligent 35 y.o. lib was - tigerdb MU - 11/25 11:44:13
                                                  lol, you poor snowflake (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 12:01:19
                                                       Shut up puss(nm) - tigerdb MU - 11/25 12:10:13
                                                            RE: Shut up puss(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 11/25 12:11:16
          Unusual, certainly. But I decided to indulge him. Nm - hokie VT - 11/25 10:15:01
     and then everyone clapped and patted your back(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 11/25 09:57:22
          You wouldn't understand. Only intelligent Libs can - hokie VT - 11/25 10:05:06




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