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I don't know, but the Church has had anti-popes a few times

Posted on: August 13, 2021 at 15:24:20 CT
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in its history.

We currently have a Pope whose allies, the so called St. Gallen Mafia, violated the papal decree outlining the rules for the election which elevated him to the office.

There are also some who claim that Pope Benedict had been pressured into resigning which would invalidate his resignation. He also still dresses as Pope and uses the title of Pope Emeritus. St. Francis, on the other hand has rejected the title, Vicar of Christ.

Saints have speculated about whether a pope who became a heretic would automatically cease to be pope. The conclusion seems to be that yes, he would thereby no longer be pope. Multiple priests and theologians have already publicly called him out as a heretic, and he does little to try and dispel their concerns, but plunges on ahead with his destructive plans anyway.

We even had a pope, Pope Honorius, who was condemned as a heretic by 3 ecumenical councils and every pope from the 8th to the 11th century. It was not because he was teaching heresy, but because he did nothing to stop it.

https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07452b.htm

In what sense Honorius was condemned

..the decree of the council itself: "We anathematize the inventors of the new error, that is, Theodore, Sergius, ...and also Honorius, who did not attempt to sanctify this Apostolic Church with the teaching of Apostolic tradition, but by profane treachery permitted its purity to be polluted."...

"With Honorius, who did not, as became the Apostolic authority, extinguish the flame of heretical teaching in its first beginning, but fostered it by his negligence."

Pope Honorius was subsequently included in the lists of heretics anathematized by the Trullan Synod, and by the seventh and eighth ecumenical councils without special remark; also in the oath taken by every new pope from the eighth century to the eleventh in the following words: "Together with Honorius, who added fuel to their wicked assertions" (Liber diurnus, ii, 9).
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Is the Catholic Church falling apart? - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:28:44
     Hell will be hot for the wolf in sheep clothing(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 8/13 14:17:57
          "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 14:38:19
               RE: "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, - TigerFan92 STL - 8/13 15:19:00
                    learn to embed, dummy(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 15:22:27
                         NEVER (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 8/13 17:33:54
               and Our Lord warns that punishment will be severe for - JeffB MU - 8/13 14:57:58
     The Pope is infallible (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 13:40:23
          Valid popes are in very strictly delineated circumstances. (nm) - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:42:19
               Is Pope Francis invalid? Surely God would not have let - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 14:35:02
                    I don't know, but the Church has had anti-popes a few times - JeffB MU - 8/13 15:24:20
     The modern Catholic church has put a greater priority - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 13:34:42
          Disagree. - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/13 14:20:49
               Telling members, as the Catholic Church has done to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:02:50
                    Telling people they should not read Scripture themselves for - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/13 16:32:05
                    The Church was never against reading scripture - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:10:47
                         This has happened three times in the past 10 years - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:15:00
                              Men of God do not withhold the Word of God from believers or - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/13 16:52:18
                              RE: This has happened three times in the past 10 years - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:24:27
                                   What Lutheran group did he belong to? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:37:26
                                        Missouri Synod - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:55:19
          I see the problem differently, of course. I don't see the - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:38:49
               I did not mean to infer these issues go back to the start - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 13:53:08
               Francis is the most protestant Pope we've ever had - Nohawks MU - 8/13 13:45:01
                    Explain how Luther wanted government control of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 13:53:54
                         For starters - Nohawks MU - 8/13 14:24:44
                              That is a preposterous stretch - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 14:49:02
                                   If you can’t see that in the movement of history - Nohawks MU - 8/13 14:55:21
                                        Luther wasn't even a Protestant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:00:47
                                             You’re right. He was an Augustinian monk - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:06:04
                                                  He was a monk who could not believe Pope Leo X was as - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:13:45
                                                       Well I do appreciate one thing here - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:17:40
                                                            I am not an anti-Catholic bigot - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:35:37
                                                                 The Catholic Church is no more responsible - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:44:09
                    'We all know who wins in the end though.' - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:50:15
                         Yup. But I would say get ready - Nohawks MU - 8/13 13:57:28
                              Don't worry, just let Jesus take the wheel (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 14:36:02
                                   Never hire Mexicans to do the driving - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:15:39
     LOL for say so Catholics- maybe so - JG MU - 8/13 13:34:04
          Unfortunately the 'say so Catholics', as you call them, - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:41:38
               The problem is the Catholics who know there - JG MU - 8/13 14:11:56




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