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Posted on: August 13, 2021 at 14:20:49 CT
MizzouTigerz MU
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"They promote guilt and uncertainty about salvation as a means of keeping members in mass," - Not all do it for the same reason(s). Feeling guilt when guilty and not having confessed guilt is a good thing. Holding on to guilt feelings too long is not good, as it contradicts the truth about forgiveness of confessed sin and restoration. False guilt, for things not done or done but not wrong is bad. Some do misuse guilt, but some misuse it ignorantly, not out of evil motive.

Many promote uncertainty about salvation because they are deceived about salvation, not out of wicked intentions. It is the duty of those who know the truth to help who do these things unwittingly to know better, without judging their hearts. That why it is necessary to hold out the correct standards. The law is not evil. It is a tutor, to help people understand God's holiness, and His grace and mercy.

and that is a perversion of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. - True
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Is the Catholic Church falling apart? - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:28:44
     Hell will be hot for the wolf in sheep clothing(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 8/13 14:17:57
          "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 14:38:19
               RE: "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, - TigerFan92 STL - 8/13 15:19:00
                    learn to embed, dummy(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 15:22:27
                         NEVER (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 8/13 17:33:54
               and Our Lord warns that punishment will be severe for - JeffB MU - 8/13 14:57:58
     The Pope is infallible (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 13:40:23
          Valid popes are in very strictly delineated circumstances. (nm) - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:42:19
               Is Pope Francis invalid? Surely God would not have let - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 14:35:02
                    I don't know, but the Church has had anti-popes a few times - JeffB MU - 8/13 15:24:20
     The modern Catholic church has put a greater priority - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 13:34:42
          Disagree. - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/13 14:20:49
               Telling members, as the Catholic Church has done to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:02:50
                    Telling people they should not read Scripture themselves for - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/13 16:32:05
                    The Church was never against reading scripture - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:10:47
                         This has happened three times in the past 10 years - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:15:00
                              Men of God do not withhold the Word of God from believers or - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/13 16:52:18
                              RE: This has happened three times in the past 10 years - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:24:27
                                   What Lutheran group did he belong to? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:37:26
                                        Missouri Synod - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:55:19
          I see the problem differently, of course. I don't see the - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:38:49
               I did not mean to infer these issues go back to the start - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 13:53:08
               Francis is the most protestant Pope we've ever had - Nohawks MU - 8/13 13:45:01
                    Explain how Luther wanted government control of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 13:53:54
                         For starters - Nohawks MU - 8/13 14:24:44
                              That is a preposterous stretch - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 14:49:02
                                   If you can’t see that in the movement of history - Nohawks MU - 8/13 14:55:21
                                        Luther wasn't even a Protestant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:00:47
                                             You’re right. He was an Augustinian monk - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:06:04
                                                  He was a monk who could not believe Pope Leo X was as - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:13:45
                                                       Well I do appreciate one thing here - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:17:40
                                                            I am not an anti-Catholic bigot - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:35:37
                                                                 The Catholic Church is no more responsible - Nohawks MU - 8/13 15:44:09
                    'We all know who wins in the end though.' - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:50:15
                         Yup. But I would say get ready - Nohawks MU - 8/13 13:57:28
                              Don't worry, just let Jesus take the wheel (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 8/13 14:36:02
                                   Never hire Mexicans to do the driving - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 8/13 15:15:39
     LOL for say so Catholics- maybe so - JG MU - 8/13 13:34:04
          Unfortunately the 'say so Catholics', as you call them, - JeffB MU - 8/13 13:41:38
               The problem is the Catholics who know there - JG MU - 8/13 14:11:56




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