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No I have said I agree with the founders, but they believe

Posted on: February 18, 2021 at 12:05:06 CT
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that our rights came from our creator. A creator which you deny.

I believe that our creator gave us reason and from that, we created things like art, government, and yes, rights. When you deny a creator then it becomes very difficult to claim abstracts as a part of our being.
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The Constitution: universal rights. Class in session - pickle MU - 2/18 10:36:10
     take it a step further-rather than "derived from nature" - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/18 13:57:11
          that makes no sense - pickle MU - 2/18 17:10:47
     nature lol (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 2/18 11:51:28
     Be sure and let Xi know everyone in china has rights. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 10:57:00
          You and Xi have that in common - pickle MU - 2/18 11:00:41
               You don't realize that my statement sadly proves that's true - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:11:18
                    ^ "bad people infringe on the rights of others, therefore, - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:27:59
                         It's hard to keep it simple enough for you to understand. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:33:02
                              I’ll give you credit: you’re engaging and trying (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:50:02
                              yeah, understanding your complex position is a real - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:40:02
                              maybe you're projecting again (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:37:52
                              i doubt anyone misunderstands your position (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:37:46
                                   Please share with us all, how natural rights stops Xi's army - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:39:57
                                        ^^hokie 2.0(nm) - Panthera MU - 2/18 11:48:14
                                        If you had an army that was focused on defending - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:46:09
                                             So, a natural rights militia. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:48:36
                                                  If you have an outside threat - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:59:38
                                                  holy shyt, you're retarded (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:50:38
                                        they don’t (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:45:07
                                        they don't and nobody claims they do (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:40:31
                                             Thanks 90. So, your rights only exist when everyone agrees. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:46:37
                                                  no, rights are inherent, but they may be infringed upon - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:52:12
                                                       In a society without any law enforcement, pretty much yes. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 12:01:01
                                                            Why wouldn’t you be able to get your lawnmower? - pickle MU - 2/18 12:12:32
                                                                 To quote you, "Why are you so stupid?". - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 12:17:03
                                                                      no rhay, it is your lawnmower (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:20:48
                                                                      No, that would not be infringing upon my rights - pickle MU - 2/18 12:20:05
                                                            pickle (an anarchist) and other libertarians who think - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:09:46
                                                            Has Pickle ever suggested there would be no law - meatiger MU - 2/18 12:01:37
                                                                 no, but RHAY is too dim to understand the difference - ashtray UF - 2/18 12:04:54
                                                  no, that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:49:12
                                                       Based on what exactly? Your own "feelings"? - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:50:07
                                                            Based on natural rights being inherent to humankind - pickle MU - 2/18 11:51:35
                                                  incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:47:57
                                                       Ok, when the boot hits your face, your rights still exist. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:49:27
                                                            yes (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:52:30
                                                            correct (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:50:26
                                                                 Lol. That sure seems a solid platform to build a society. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:54:39
                                                                      i agree. It’s a solid foundation for society - pickle MU - 2/18 12:11:00
                                                                      the US was founded on natural rights, rhay, and nobody - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:10:36
                                                                      yeah, those founders were so stupid (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:57:03
                         it's the retardation (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:29:20
                    so we should kill everyone - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:22:01
                         another sad failure. didn't say that. You did. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:34:24
                              It was.... - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:37:17
                              so much irony (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:36:46
                         lol (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/18 11:27:19
                    the only thing your statement proves - pickle MU - 2/18 11:19:43
                    so you're saying it is ok to kill someone for their stuff? - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:19:24
                         another said failure. Didn't say that. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:36:42
                              natural rights addresses it, and you even recognize it - pickle MU - 2/18 11:46:35
                              Who denied that people kill others? - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:38:49
                              and since people will kill, then there is no right to life - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:38:37
                    You can't fix stoopid, man. - jonesin - 2/18 11:14:47
     Any "right" is technically artificial in that it is created - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/18 10:48:50
          Rights are a social construct. Pizzle and the boys refuse - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:59:42
               again, the topic is the Constitution - pickle MU - 2/18 11:03:26
                    No, I was responding to Rags and his post was addressing - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:13:29
                         He also acknowledged the Constitutional argument - pickle MU - 2/18 11:21:07
                              I did not read your constitutional argument as it was based - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:24:06
                                   don’t blame others for your faults and laziness (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:32:31
                                        It is not lazy to refuse to read nonsense. As I said if you - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:40:23
                                             the premise is about the constitution - pickle MU - 2/18 11:47:40
                         rags' post also addressed the constitution (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 11:18:07
                              As I just told Pizzle, I chose to respond to the first of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:25:17
                                   “you always resort to name calling” - pickle MU - 2/18 11:33:49
     "derived from nature" = biology? - glue MU - 2/18 10:41:03
          I have been asking them this same question for - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:45:17
               I wouldn't assume everyone else is as dumb as you, DH. - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:51:56
                    Then present your proof. You always resort to name - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:57:35
                         now you're projecting (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:20:19
                         "you always resort to name calling" lol dh (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:59:20
                              Yes I call you all names, you are fools. But I do not call - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:11:55
                                   lol (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:21:35
                                   can you share an example of one of my idiotic views - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 11:15:52
          humans as a species have an inherent ability - pickle MU - 2/18 10:44:44
               Why is half the population - Wildcat KSU - 2/18 11:04:16
               Discovered? Where exactly are they discovered? - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:46:49
                    was God created or discovered? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:53:45
                         Can you prove he exists? Belief in God is an article of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:58:54
                              why do you feel the desire to defend yourself - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:23:07
                                   You mean my property that the county recognizes as mine - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:31:00
                                        no, I'm not saying that at all - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:32:34
                                             No I simply don't believe in your concept of rights. And - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:42:44
                                                  so if we are in a country where right to life isn't codfied - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:49:48
                                                       Rights are what you can secure. Without a strong govt - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:56:20
                                                            rights are only that which can be secured? then there - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:12:18
                                                            false - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:58:42
                                                                 No I have said I agree with the founders, but they believe - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 12:05:06
                                                                      you don't agree with the founders at all; hell, you don't - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:21:50
                                                                      you don’t agree with them (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 12:13:51
                                                                      lol, agree but disagree (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 12:07:33
                                                                      where have I denied nature? - ashtray UF - 2/18 12:05:45
                                                                           Did I say you denied nature. Nature is not the same as a - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 12:09:03
                                                                                yes, it's the same thing - ashtray UF - 2/18 12:49:28
                                                                                     You do realize that calling something natural does not, in - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 13:28:12
                                                                                          3 + x = 12 - pickle MU - 2/18 13:45:03
                                                                                          now we're back to your right to life - ashtray UF - 2/18 13:36:50
                                                                                oh, dear (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 12:28:22
                                                  so, what are the rights you believe in? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:46:36
                    It's not a far jump to presume god or intelligence - glue MU - 2/18 10:50:05
                         which is totally fine and not incongruent (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:01:43
                         That is because the belief in natural rights is actually a - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:55:14
                              false (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:23:30
                              I think you can have it both ways; just don't call - glue MU - 2/18 10:59:28
                                   Do they innately have that right? Or did your belief - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:15:25
                                        Nothing is innate to man until man determines - glue MU - 2/18 11:17:17
                                             Which seems to agree with my position that rights are a - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:21:18
          lol, wut? - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:42:56
     You assume natural rights as a premise. Prove that they - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:40:41
          try to discuss the topic, please (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:53:08
               Your topic has a flawed premise. As I stated I did not - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:19:39
                    The premise is about the constitution (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:22:49
                         Try again. Here is the first sentence in your argument. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:34:47
                              it’s not my fault you didn’t pay attention (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:48:17
          try setting that aside and focus on the rest of it - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:50:10
     RE: The Constitution: universal rights. Class in session - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:37:58
          so you're argument is "it's not possible to be an expert - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:42:03
               He does not believe them to be valid. But of course you - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:44:14
                    irrelevant (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:25:08
                    that's not being pedantic - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:48:43
                         Only when dealing with the terminally stupid. No one - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:50:48
                              you're having a bad day - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:25:35
                                   he's not really, this is every day for DH (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:47:16
                              moco did precisely that in his post, DH. Again, stop - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:52:50
                              no one here was making personal attacks - pickle MU - 2/18 10:52:25
                    and? the point is that many do think it’s valid - pickle MU - 2/18 10:47:23
                    "believe" is the wrong word entirely. He doesn't believe - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:46:36
                         And everyone knew exactly what Moco was saying. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:48:50
                              i wouldn’t presume - pickle MU - 2/18 10:54:08
                              You don't speak for everyone, you don't speak for me (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:53:25
                                   Then please let me rephrase. Everyone with a functional - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:58:21
               RE: so you're argument is "it's not possible to be an expert - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:42:58
                    what approach to life? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:45:49
                    Why? he was born in the US, is subject to its laws and - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:45:13
          i'm pretty sure he believes govt exists moco (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:39:59
               RE: i'm pretty sure he believes govt exists moco (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:41:02
                    that's better, but not what you said the first time (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:42:41
                    correct and he knows gvmt exists. there is no "belief" invo - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:42:36
                         RE: correct and he knows gvmt exists. there is no "belief" invo - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:44:54
                              again, acknowledging gvmt exists and stating it is - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:48:42
                                   RE: again, acknowledging gvmt exists and stating it is - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 12:11:50
                                        No it isn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 12:38:40
                                        not in the least (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:22:38
                              and? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:45:16
                    and? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:42:25




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