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another said failure. Didn't say that.

Posted on: February 18, 2021 at 11:36:42 CT
RHAYWORTH MU
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It's merely a reflection on the reality, that people will indeed kill you for your stuff, or just for the fun of it.

An ugly reality that your natural rights fails to address.

The second your happy little natural rights community meets a crazed warlord or gang, it's toast.
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The Constitution: universal rights. Class in session - pickle MU - 2/18 10:36:10
     take it a step further-rather than "derived from nature" - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/18 13:57:11
          that makes no sense - pickle MU - 2/18 17:10:47
     nature lol (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 2/18 11:51:28
     Be sure and let Xi know everyone in china has rights. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 10:57:00
          You and Xi have that in common - pickle MU - 2/18 11:00:41
               You don't realize that my statement sadly proves that's true - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:11:18
                    ^ "bad people infringe on the rights of others, therefore, - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:27:59
                         It's hard to keep it simple enough for you to understand. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:33:02
                              I’ll give you credit: you’re engaging and trying (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:50:02
                              yeah, understanding your complex position is a real - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:40:02
                              maybe you're projecting again (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:37:52
                              i doubt anyone misunderstands your position (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:37:46
                                   Please share with us all, how natural rights stops Xi's army - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:39:57
                                        ^^hokie 2.0(nm) - Panthera MU - 2/18 11:48:14
                                        If you had an army that was focused on defending - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:46:09
                                             So, a natural rights militia. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:48:36
                                                  If you have an outside threat - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:59:38
                                                  holy shyt, you're retarded (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:50:38
                                        they don’t (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:45:07
                                        they don't and nobody claims they do (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:40:31
                                             Thanks 90. So, your rights only exist when everyone agrees. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:46:37
                                                  no, rights are inherent, but they may be infringed upon - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:52:12
                                                       In a society without any law enforcement, pretty much yes. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 12:01:01
                                                            Why wouldn’t you be able to get your lawnmower? - pickle MU - 2/18 12:12:32
                                                                 To quote you, "Why are you so stupid?". - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 12:17:03
                                                                      no rhay, it is your lawnmower (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:20:48
                                                                      No, that would not be infringing upon my rights - pickle MU - 2/18 12:20:05
                                                            pickle (an anarchist) and other libertarians who think - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:09:46
                                                            Has Pickle ever suggested there would be no law - meatiger MU - 2/18 12:01:37
                                                                 no, but RHAY is too dim to understand the difference - ashtray UF - 2/18 12:04:54
                                                  no, that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:49:12
                                                       Based on what exactly? Your own "feelings"? - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:50:07
                                                            Based on natural rights being inherent to humankind - pickle MU - 2/18 11:51:35
                                                  incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:47:57
                                                       Ok, when the boot hits your face, your rights still exist. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:49:27
                                                            yes (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:52:30
                                                            correct (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:50:26
                                                                 Lol. That sure seems a solid platform to build a society. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:54:39
                                                                      i agree. It’s a solid foundation for society - pickle MU - 2/18 12:11:00
                                                                      the US was founded on natural rights, rhay, and nobody - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:10:36
                                                                      yeah, those founders were so stupid (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:57:03
                         it's the retardation (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:29:20
                    so we should kill everyone - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:22:01
                         another sad failure. didn't say that. You did. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:34:24
                              It was.... - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:37:17
                              so much irony (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:36:46
                         lol (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/18 11:27:19
                    the only thing your statement proves - pickle MU - 2/18 11:19:43
                    so you're saying it is ok to kill someone for their stuff? - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:19:24
                         another said failure. Didn't say that. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/18 11:36:42
                              natural rights addresses it, and you even recognize it - pickle MU - 2/18 11:46:35
                              Who denied that people kill others? - meatiger MU - 2/18 11:38:49
                              and since people will kill, then there is no right to life - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:38:37
                    You can't fix stoopid, man. - jonesin - 2/18 11:14:47
     Any "right" is technically artificial in that it is created - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/18 10:48:50
          Rights are a social construct. Pizzle and the boys refuse - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:59:42
               again, the topic is the Constitution - pickle MU - 2/18 11:03:26
                    No, I was responding to Rags and his post was addressing - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:13:29
                         He also acknowledged the Constitutional argument - pickle MU - 2/18 11:21:07
                              I did not read your constitutional argument as it was based - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:24:06
                                   don’t blame others for your faults and laziness (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:32:31
                                        It is not lazy to refuse to read nonsense. As I said if you - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:40:23
                                             the premise is about the constitution - pickle MU - 2/18 11:47:40
                         rags' post also addressed the constitution (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 11:18:07
                              As I just told Pizzle, I chose to respond to the first of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:25:17
                                   “you always resort to name calling” - pickle MU - 2/18 11:33:49
     "derived from nature" = biology? - glue MU - 2/18 10:41:03
          I have been asking them this same question for - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:45:17
               I wouldn't assume everyone else is as dumb as you, DH. - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:51:56
                    Then present your proof. You always resort to name - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:57:35
                         now you're projecting (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:20:19
                         "you always resort to name calling" lol dh (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:59:20
                              Yes I call you all names, you are fools. But I do not call - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:11:55
                                   lol (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:21:35
                                   can you share an example of one of my idiotic views - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 11:15:52
          humans as a species have an inherent ability - pickle MU - 2/18 10:44:44
               Why is half the population - Wildcat KSU - 2/18 11:04:16
               Discovered? Where exactly are they discovered? - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:46:49
                    was God created or discovered? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:53:45
                         Can you prove he exists? Belief in God is an article of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:58:54
                              why do you feel the desire to defend yourself - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:23:07
                                   You mean my property that the county recognizes as mine - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:31:00
                                        no, I'm not saying that at all - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:32:34
                                             No I simply don't believe in your concept of rights. And - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:42:44
                                                  so if we are in a country where right to life isn't codfied - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:49:48
                                                       Rights are what you can secure. Without a strong govt - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:56:20
                                                            rights are only that which can be secured? then there - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:12:18
                                                            false - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:58:42
                                                                 No I have said I agree with the founders, but they believe - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 12:05:06
                                                                      you don't agree with the founders at all; hell, you don't - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:21:50
                                                                      you don’t agree with them (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 12:13:51
                                                                      lol, agree but disagree (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 12:07:33
                                                                      where have I denied nature? - ashtray UF - 2/18 12:05:45
                                                                           Did I say you denied nature. Nature is not the same as a - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 12:09:03
                                                                                yes, it's the same thing - ashtray UF - 2/18 12:49:28
                                                                                     You do realize that calling something natural does not, in - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 13:28:12
                                                                                          3 + x = 12 - pickle MU - 2/18 13:45:03
                                                                                          now we're back to your right to life - ashtray UF - 2/18 13:36:50
                                                                                oh, dear (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 12:28:22
                                                  so, what are the rights you believe in? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:46:36
                    It's not a far jump to presume god or intelligence - glue MU - 2/18 10:50:05
                         which is totally fine and not incongruent (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:01:43
                         That is because the belief in natural rights is actually a - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:55:14
                              false (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:23:30
                              I think you can have it both ways; just don't call - glue MU - 2/18 10:59:28
                                   Do they innately have that right? Or did your belief - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:15:25
                                        Nothing is innate to man until man determines - glue MU - 2/18 11:17:17
                                             Which seems to agree with my position that rights are a - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:21:18
          lol, wut? - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:42:56
     You assume natural rights as a premise. Prove that they - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:40:41
          try to discuss the topic, please (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:53:08
               Your topic has a flawed premise. As I stated I did not - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:19:39
                    The premise is about the constitution (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:22:49
                         Try again. Here is the first sentence in your argument. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:34:47
                              it’s not my fault you didn’t pay attention (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 11:48:17
          try setting that aside and focus on the rest of it - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:50:10
     RE: The Constitution: universal rights. Class in session - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:37:58
          so you're argument is "it's not possible to be an expert - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:42:03
               He does not believe them to be valid. But of course you - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:44:14
                    irrelevant (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:25:08
                    that's not being pedantic - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:48:43
                         Only when dealing with the terminally stupid. No one - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:50:48
                              you're having a bad day - ashtray UF - 2/18 11:25:35
                                   he's not really, this is every day for DH (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 11:47:16
                              moco did precisely that in his post, DH. Again, stop - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:52:50
                              no one here was making personal attacks - pickle MU - 2/18 10:52:25
                    and? the point is that many do think it’s valid - pickle MU - 2/18 10:47:23
                    "believe" is the wrong word entirely. He doesn't believe - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:46:36
                         And everyone knew exactly what Moco was saying. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 10:48:50
                              i wouldn’t presume - pickle MU - 2/18 10:54:08
                              You don't speak for everyone, you don't speak for me (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:53:25
                                   Then please let me rephrase. Everyone with a functional - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/18 11:58:21
               RE: so you're argument is "it's not possible to be an expert - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:42:58
                    what approach to life? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:45:49
                    Why? he was born in the US, is subject to its laws and - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:45:13
          i'm pretty sure he believes govt exists moco (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:39:59
               RE: i'm pretty sure he believes govt exists moco (nm) - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:41:02
                    that's better, but not what you said the first time (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/18 10:42:41
                    correct and he knows gvmt exists. there is no "belief" invo - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:42:36
                         RE: correct and he knows gvmt exists. there is no "belief" invo - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 10:44:54
                              again, acknowledging gvmt exists and stating it is - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 10:48:42
                                   RE: again, acknowledging gvmt exists and stating it is - MOCO SON MU - 2/18 12:11:50
                                        No it isn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 12:38:40
                                        not in the least (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 2/18 12:22:38
                              and? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:45:16
                    and? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/18 10:42:25




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