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90 Tiger, you are a hopeless idealist who thinks man has - jonesin - 1/18 13:04:52

Proven time and time again - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 16:19:09

RE: Proven time and time again - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 16:58:23

Ha ha ha ha ha - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:03:42

RE: Ha ha ha ha ha - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 17:10:42

RE: Ha ha ha ha ha - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 17:18:01

Good for you - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:39:35

That is a great idea and by and large that is what we have i - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:17:13

RE: That is a great idea and by and large that is what we have i - MOCO SON MU - 1/18 17:40:32

AGAIN - I prefer children an the hungry to be fed - and I - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:43:10

It's a big gun, not a benevolent nature, that assures - jonesin - 1/18 16:35:20

you're just utterly lost (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 17:06:14

Lost on you, yes. nm - jonesin - 1/18 17:28:11

We got out of Africa, established tribes and traveled across - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 16:59:51

What's this "we" shyte? In modern society "we" have many - jonesin - 1/18 17:26:22

YOU dissed man's benevolent nature in the OP - raskolnikov MU - 1/18 17:46:28

I agree. Man's nature hasn't changed at all. - jonesin - 1/18 18:07:26

humans are quite obviously, generally cooperative and - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 13:46:42

So do parents spend more time teaching their - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:01:16

Parents are humans. (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/18 14:57:00

not until they learn about jesus (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:00:04

Your distaste for Christianity is duly noted. - jonesin - 1/18 15:22:33

remember, it's you who is arguing we are born as - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:33:18

Nope. I was reinforcing my position. And using your distaste - jonesin - 1/18 15:47:17

lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:48:34

we are beasts (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:32:52

pick any religion (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:32:41

4Tigs - so when your kids are bad adults, it's because you - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:45:51

There can be many reasons for that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:50:19

human nature is inherently cooperative - pickle MU

- 1/18 15:03:03

Foolish and wrong. nm - jonesin - 1/18 15:28:45

i picture a class of pre-schoolers all knife-fighting if - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:10:22

Be serious for a moment;.bullying in school isn't a problem? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:12:01

it’s an individual problem - pickle MU

- 1/18 18:58:04

lol, yeah - those are the children not taught christianity. - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 18:54:19

Yup. Lord of the Flies. - Emoji Man MSU - 1/18 16:53:09

It's a direct result of people like you and Pickled who - jonesin - 1/18 15:28:03

lol, my son's an awesome man, you really believe - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:35:11

Then someone else instilled some virtue and morality in him - jonesin - 1/18 15:49:02

lol, the contortions required to sustain myth-believing. (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:49:55

So you think humans don't grow out of those behaviors - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:59:24

Look at our inner cities with a breakdown of the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:01:16

RE: Look at our inner cities with a breakdown of the - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:01:51

I never mentioned religion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:02:43

it's implied and it doesn't alter the discussion at all -but - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:03:52

They wouldn't. Short answer. - jonesin - 1/18 15:30:08

lol - so the only good humans are those taught by - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:34:05

lol, you're now thinking that w/o parents, humans would - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:43:03

Again, not the question at hand(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:51:00

...crickets... - jonesin - 1/18 14:11:26

lol, bro (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:49:30

The fact that some are taught and trained to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:16:32

I'm almost speechless that you think humans are only - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:43:49

I never said that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:51:39

of course you did and it is (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:59:48

Exactly. I wonder how any semi-educated adult over the - jonesin - 1/18 14:21:30

so your contention here is that, left without adult interven - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:45:22

The FACT that you would ask this question about human - jonesin - 1/18 15:15:01

you didn't answer. Try to answer (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:15:31

There is a reason every study shows that children who - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:00:11

And the reason isn't because humans are born bad and have - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:01:39

Wha?! So their inherent nature is sociopathy? - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 15:44:53

people become sociopathic if they are abused, unloved - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:49:32

So cooperation is NOT inherent...cooperation is reliant - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 15:58:57

RE: So cooperation is NOT inherent...cooperation is reliant - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 17:01:37

Yeah, Baltimore was a ****hole in the 70s...wait - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:17:10

are you having a conversation with yourself here abou - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 19:31:19

RE: So cooperation is NOT inherent...cooperation is reliant - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:12:42

no Lou, go have a beer and fear your neighbors (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 19:58:15

lol, no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 16:52:33

lol, no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:48:50

You answered your own question, dolt. And confirmed - jonesin - 1/18 15:17:20

You are foolish if you really believe that. - jonesin - 1/18 13:58:49

But NOTHING is more foolish than your comment below, - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 14:20:07

you've been wrong about the civil war your entire life (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:46:22

Here, learn something. If possible. - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 15:10:10

First, what does any of this have to do with being a Liberal - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:14:36

I expect them to be brainwashed and willfully ignorant.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 15:46:16

GAT, you ought to know better. The WAR was a way for the - jonesin - 1/18 14:28:43

You totally proved my comment. - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 14:52:10

Who worked those plantations that were bought for pennies - jonesin - 1/18 15:40:36

Answers to those questions do nothing to prove your - GA Tiger MU - 1/18 15:48:37

well, it also wouldn't have been fought if there weren't - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:15:08

Gov't intervenes on the American Dream and ****s - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:21:54

LOL! You too need a history lesson. As well as a little more - jonesin - 1/18 13:33:20

I have never needed to instruct one person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:07:22

So human behavior is inherently bad, until and unless - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:47:08

Not all behavior is bad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 14:53:13

because that's how your 3 year old behaves? LMFAO! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:00:35

Why is that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/18 15:02:02

it largely isn't, 4Tigs. occasional selfishness or grabbing - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 15:09:08

Parents correct and punish that behavior because it is - ummmm MU - 1/18 15:58:19

You MFer's are beyond reason. Pathologically indoctrinated. - jonesin - 1/18 16:19:12

What part of my last post do you disagree with? (nm) - ummmm MU - 1/18 16:43:01

So God is inherently bad too? - glue MU - 1/18 16:26:14

Ever hear of the Tree of Knowledge? Since you brought - jonesin - 1/18 16:38:17

every single aspect of your life is evidence of man - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 13:48:07

I would've probably killed a bunch of dudes if not for laws - Emoji Man MSU - 1/18 14:05:18

me too. thank goodness my parents trained me to live - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:49:20

That and you prolly don't want to go to prison and get - Emoji Man MSU - 1/18 16:23:29

AND IT IS THE LAW AGREED TO BY MEN! NOT NATURE. - jonesin - 1/18 14:00:20

So, if not for society's laws and your religion, all men are - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:48:50

You should read the article Pickle posted below. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:40:37

Which one? The one I shot to Hell in three short paragraphs? - jonesin - 1/18 13:43:30

I have no idea, but if it was the really long one, I - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:45:46

The Mises post about the government leviathan? I read it. - jonesin - 1/18 13:48:47

WOW, I just looked down the page. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:52:50

90 is like you.. An idealist who makes a useful rube. - jonesin - 1/18 13:55:19

do you walk out your door and fight people in the street - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:40:18

Some people do....they tend not to live in the burbs - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 15:53:09

Most people cooperate because it is mutually beneficial. Yes - jonesin - 1/18 14:46:54

So your contention is that man is born bad and lives - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:47:49

Straw man, if I may. Man doesn't have to be inherently "bad" - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 16:10:41

lol, that was complicated (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 17:07:06

It's actually quite simple, and evidenced from time - Mizzou Lou KC - 1/18 17:14:40

that isn't a post about anarchy, lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 13:49:12

No. It's a post about how our government has been morphed - jonesin - 1/18 13:53:34

So let's say you're right, at least in your own mind. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 13:59:46

I go through the day knowing this to be true. But also - jonesin - 1/18 14:08:42

Oh, God. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 14:11:55

A lotta heartburn(nm) - glue MU - 1/18 16:55:33

I don't think he believes any of this nonsense; he's just - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:41:05

No. I absolutely know it. And speaking of "dug in"... - jonesin - 1/18 14:54:40

I know, right? It would be much more FUN to be free like - jonesin - 1/18 14:18:06

So if one has an aggressive lust for life - Newcatbirdseat MU - 1/18 14:24:12

Try a humble one. Nothing more rewarding than that my - jonesin - 1/18 14:30:24

lol, you think that's what you're doing? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/18 14:41:35

I try. nm - jonesin - 1/18 14:53:25

human nature is inherently cooperative

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