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I agree. I do think there can be aggravating circumstances

Posted on: December 20, 2019 at 18:00:25 CT
JeffB MU
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that make a crime more egregious & hence worthy of a stiffer penalty, but don't think the "hate crime" categories they came up with to be a reasonable or fair way of doing so.

For instance, I think that there is a difference between some kids burning a little pile of wood on a neighbor's yard is a different level of crime than burning a cross as a means of intimidation of a black family à la the KKK.

But having specially designated "protected classes" is a dangerous way to move forward.
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Man gets 16 years for burning rainbow flag. Hate crime... - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:34:23
     It sounds like a troll article/someone looking for a - Freeglider USA - 12/20 18:50:37
          Not as I see it. I wouldn't write it the same way, but I - JeffB MU - 12/20 19:07:46
     That is beyond absurd sentence. This - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 18:28:07
          He should have to pay to replace the stolen flag and - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 18:57:46
     He’s a thief it there is no hate crime for telling people - TigerFan92 MU - 12/20 18:07:26
          RE: He’s a thief it there is no hate crime for telling people - patriot MU - 12/20 19:04:14
          Class D felony hate crime for doing that in Iowa apparently(nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:09:38
               Come get me. More hateful to let them harm themselves (nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 12/20 18:40:14
     Jeff, the good news here is that this clickbait garbage for - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 17:58:17
          Yes, we have very different world views. I disagree, of cour - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:14:29
               by the way, if it isn't a mythology, why does it require - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 18:39:40
                    Your worldview requires every bit as much faith as mine does - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:41:23
                         faith in what, exactly, jeff? the straw man you claimed - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 18:52:13
                              I started a new thread for this discussion: - JeffB MU - 12/20 19:02:30
                                   I would say you miss the point of this issue. - GA Tiger MU - 12/20 19:34:55
                                   more straw man constructs and false dichotomy - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 19:27:02
                                        Faced w/mysteries dark & vast, - raskolnikov MU - 12/20 20:29:21
                                             did you choke on a peanut mid-sentence? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 20:44:32
               There are billions of great minds who don't agree with it - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 18:29:42
                    It wasn't an appeal to authority. It was a response to your - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:38:19
                         it was an appeal to authority or numbers. If it isn't - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 18:40:58
     third strike - Ferg STL - 12/20 17:43:28
          Enhancement is discretionary in Missouri. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/20 18:29:40
          Ok, that accounts for why they convicted him of a hate crime - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:49:21
               he wasn’t convicted of a hate crime - pickle MU - 12/20 21:34:15
                    The news accounts say that he was. What evidence are - JeffB MU - 12/21 12:48:11
               RE: Ok, that accounts for why they convicted him of a hate crime - sarasotatiger MU - 12/20 18:38:48
                    Please expound. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:40:26
               Hate crimes are dumb - mizzoumurfkc KC - 12/20 17:52:54
                    I agree. I do think there can be aggravating circumstances - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:00:25
                         Agreed. And the same goes for jurisdictions - mizzoumurfkc KC - 12/20 18:10:26
          3rd strike laws are immoral and lazy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 12/20 17:45:10
     WTF is USSA tea party news? - mizzoumurfkc KC - 12/20 17:34:07
          No idea who they are. This is your opportunity to fill us in - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:39:57
               RE: No idea who they are. This is your opportunity to fill us in - mizzoumurfkc KC - 12/20 17:51:38
                    OK, a fair point, but the felony was specifically a - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:05:02
     BTW that website tries to do malicious activity - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:20:51
          It's not blacklisted, but has outdated software, per a scann - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:31:36
               Except it seemingly randomly fires off a connection to this - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:48:55
                    It didn't for me, but thanks for the heads up. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:51:30
                         I can't get it to trigger every time. It is probably from - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:53:15
                              It's a WordPress site. They give free software updates, not - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:06:51
     The good thing for my enemies on the left is - tigerfans3 MU - 12/20 16:57:05
     * - pickle MU - 12/20 16:50:35
     Why are you so dishonest? (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 16:44:27
          Why are you so stupid? - MIZ45 MU - 12/20 19:55:57
               Or maybe he is just dishonest? (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/21 12:49:30
          Why are you such a wanker?(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/20 16:56:34
          That's a pretty strong accusation. Please show me where - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:47:27
               RE: That's a pretty strong accusation. Please show me where - pickle MU - 12/20 16:51:05
                    Looks to me like you are the dishonest one here pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:55:31
                         And a wanker (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/20 17:05:30
                              No doubt, but he likes to say that it doesn't hurt anyone. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:06:52
     should have been theft - meatiger MU - 12/20 16:41:33
          don’t put any stock into that ignorant garbage (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 16:50:12
               This is why nobody puts any stock into your posts (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 12/20 19:56:50
               Always so elegant in your discussions. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:59:17
          What are your views on government financed Drag Queen - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:43:46
               "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 12/20 16:47:54
                    Love they neighbor....just don't get caught. (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 12/20 16:57:31
                    Like this?... - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:54:50
                         Who cares? Don't like it, don't go.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:01:03
                              Why do you care so much to post on here repeatedly? Why not - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:06:10
                                   A drag queen reading a story isn't spreading hate. You are(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:11:47
                                        Disagreeing with the narrative that it is a good idea to be - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:39:05
                                             Now the straw man - pickle MU - 12/20 17:50:11
                                                  If you weren't such a coward you could discuss this like a - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:54:22
               is that the only - meatiger MU - 12/20 16:47:22
                    So you don't think there's anything wrong with the governmen - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:49:57
                         i think you’re a gullible idiot (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 16:52:14
                              You are against government spending unless it is evil - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:56:22
                         RE: So you don't think there's anything wrong with the governmen - meatiger MU - 12/20 16:51:35
                              Well, they advertise for it, and host them at libraries all - JeffB MU - 12/20 16:58:04
                                   RE: Well, they advertise for it, and host them at libraries all - meatiger MU - 12/20 17:04:31
                                        You can't stay on topic? A man was imprisoned for a hate - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:08:15
                                             did you read the article - meatiger MU - 12/20 17:14:34
                                                  I read quite a bit, but didn't read to the end. What did he - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:43:06
                                             No he wasn’t. Stop with the dishonesty - pickle MU - 12/20 17:14:25
                                             Dude, you're the one that started talking about drag queens(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:11:02
                                                  I was responding to meatiger's original post in response to - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:23:09
                                                       a straight up news story - meatiger MU - 12/20 17:29:53
                                                            Very (nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 17:50:48
                                                       Stop being dishonest. You brought up drag queens(nm) - pickle MU - 12/20 17:27:01
                                                            RE: Stop being dishonest. You brought up drag queens(nm) - meatiger MU - 12/20 17:30:29
                                                                 Yes, it was in the article, and my question was in response - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:18:39
                                                                      RE: Yes, it was in the article, and my question was in response - meatiger MU - 12/20 18:49:26
                         Who said government is paying them?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 16:51:27
                              They are paying for the advertising, the banners, the - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:05:06
                                   So bill the protesting parents for their poor behavior.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:10:06
                                        I didn't think you were such a pro government guy. (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:11:22
                                             You're complaining about your system. Not mine.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 17:13:11
                                                  But you are taking the side of the government & their decisi - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:08:46
                                                       No he isn’t - pickle MU - 12/21 07:38:03
                                                       Their protests are stupid. It is all part of the system - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 18:12:00
                                                            Many young mothers haven't supported 'the system'... - JeffB MU - 12/20 18:21:30
               Anyone can reserve a room at the library.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 12/20 16:47:04
                    So what? (nm) - JeffB MU - 12/20 17:09:07




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