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LOL. Berk was hurt and got 97 ABs. Carpenter was an ace...

Posted on: October 9, 2018 at 09:34:56 CT
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... a true ace.

A Bob Gibson-like bulldog.

We've won only two World Titles in the last 36 years --- and we ONLY won them because Carp was lights out in both World Series and Albert Pujols was hitting 3rd.

We have zero titles in the past 36 years without Carp and Pujols.


In 2011, Berkman hit .301 / .412 / .547 / .959. 34 homers. 94 RBI. 90 wuns. 56 extra base hits.

That's a monstrous loss.


2011... our 3, 4 hitters

.299 .366 .541 .906
.301 .412 .547 .959

And of course... we had ace Carpenter leading the charge out of the rotation.

That 2011 team... even with Pujols, Berkman and Carp all healthy and productive, barely won 90 games and only snuck into the playoffs due to a historical Braves collapse.

And then you take that team and essentially throw away Pujols, Berkman and Carpenter.

Matheny inherited a franchise that had won only 1 division title (91 wins) in the 5 years prior.

In the 6 years prior to Matheny taking over, they won:

83
76
86
91
86
90

Decent... not great. Average 85 wins. 67% of time we won less than 90 games during that period.

Then at the conclusion of those 6 years we lose Dave Duncan. Pujols. We lose Carpenter. We lose Berkman.

The all-star talent has been getting considerably worse every year, year after year since 2011.

And yet... Matheny goes on to win

88
97 * best in baseball
90
100 * best in baseball
86
83

91 win average. 90 wins 50% of the time. 3 division titles. 3 NLCS appearances.

We actually got better and won more games.

Edited by North co-co champs at 09:36:04 on 10/09/18
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Odom=Mike Matheny - Stewart MU - 10/9 07:20:07
     Matheny had a winning record. nm. - MUTGR MU - 10/9 10:54:36
     No, Odom=Kim Anderson - ADelpiero10 MU - 10/9 10:41:24
          Bowl = NCAA tournament. KA never came close to that. - STLTIGER MU - 10/9 13:10:05
               The tourney would need about 150 at large bids to make that - reick MU - 10/9 14:45:32
          I miss Kim Anderson(nm) - Mormad MU - 10/9 10:53:21
     Matheny went to a World Series his second year - TigerMook MU - 10/9 08:13:22
          RE: Matheny went to a World Series his second year- Yeah, - Stewart MU - 10/9 08:17:04
               Very stupid person you are. Matheny was a winner - North co-co champs MU - 10/9 08:55:02
                    RE: Your definition of a winner is entirely different than - Stewart MU - 10/9 09:26:04
                         Can you criticize something that isn't an invention in your - North co-co champs MU - 10/9 09:38:12
                              RE: Why don't you take it up with Mark Saxon of The Athletic - Stewart MU - 10/9 09:46:34
                                   The players he wrote about said it was Fake News... so he - North co-co champs MU - 10/9 09:50:04
               and he inherited a lot of talent.....nm - tigertix MU - 10/9 08:28:26
                    RE: and he inherited a lot of talent.....nm - Stewart MU - 10/9 09:27:42
                    And Odom didn't? - TigerMook MU - 10/9 08:55:22
                         RE: And Odom didn't? - Stewart MU - 10/9 09:29:54
                              EXACTLY!!! - TigerMook MU - 10/9 09:58:04
                    Like Pujols? No, wait.....Nope (nm) - JeffHandyForHeisman MU - 10/9 08:49:07
                         Yadi, Beltran, Holliday, Freese, a young Carp - Hickeytime MU - 10/9 08:54:15
                              He lost Carp, Berkman, Pujols from a 90-win team that barely - North co-co champs MU - 10/9 08:56:29
                                   Berk was there in 12 - Hickeytime MU - 10/9 09:11:11
                                        LOL. Berk was hurt and got 97 ABs. Carpenter was an ace... - North co-co champs MU - 10/9 09:34:56
               so b/c you disagree with each of their decisions, they are - TigerA MU - 10/9 08:24:17
     A bunch of douchey St. Louis fans wanting him fired ... - BandG MU - 10/9 08:03:59
          RE: A bunch of douchey St. Louis fans wanting him fired ... - sarasotatiger MU - 10/9 08:53:10
          I dont want him fired. But - Hater JC - 10/9 08:40:54
               His biggest failings were hiring an unproven OC - tigerdb MU - 10/9 08:46:23
                    Dooley gets a little bit of a pass IMHO. He expected his ... - BandG MU - 10/9 08:58:04
                         He was good the first 3 games - reick MU - 10/9 09:31:05
          Thought you meant Odom - Hickeytime MU - 10/9 08:37:53
          Its a bunch of douchey fans from everywhere - Hickeytime MU - 10/9 08:14:25
               Well fans from everywhere didnt care what happened to... - BandG MU - 10/9 08:29:21
               RE: Its a bunch of douchey fans from everywhere - Stewart MU - 10/9 08:18:56
                    I didnt do it (nm) - Hickeytime MU - 10/9 08:19:24
     Maybe a change mid season would help but who would - tigertix MU - 10/9 07:34:39
          RE: Hope is not a strategy in the SEC (nm) - Stewart MU - 10/9 09:20:17
          The only good thing that could come from changing - reick MU - 10/9 07:44:44
     Not enough talent to win at the level expected?(nm) - sprintcar STL - 10/9 07:34:17
          Mo is a big problem in StL, BO has the players to win 6 of - tigertix MU - 10/9 07:41:54




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