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Posted on: July 10, 2024 at 20:43:31 CT
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The FAIR report on noncitizen voting referenced above cites a 2014 study by researchers from Old Dominion University and George Mason University as part of its argument for the prevalence of noncitizen voting. The study is summarized below.

The researchers estimated that 6.4 percent of noncitizens voted in the 2008 presidential election and that 2.2 percent voted in the 2010 midterm election. Of the 2008 estimate, the authors wrote, "Since the adult non-citizen population of the United States was roughly 19.4 million (CPS 2011), the number of non-citizen voters (including both uncertainty based on normally distributed sampling error, and the various combinations of verified and reported voting) could range from just over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at the maximum."[25]
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198 dems voted against making it illegal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/10 20:05:40
     Solution in search of a problem(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 7/11 09:01:47
     RE: 198 dems voted against making it illegal - THEGROVE68 MU - 7/11 01:39:27
     RE: 198 dems voted against making it illegal - sarasotatiger MU - 7/10 22:54:27
          An irrelevancy to his point.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/11 07:02:35
          "What is Project 2025?": I haven't the slighteset clue, but - BH O'bonga MU - 7/11 05:37:08
     You ever notice how JG disappears at times - OntheMark MU - 7/10 22:45:44
          LOL. all honest posters know I am not , never been, never - JG A - 7/10 22:49:45
               4 lies(nm) - Panthera MU - 7/11 06:07:26
     That whole "save the democracy " is what we thought it was.. - Outsider MU - 7/10 20:26:38
          Can't. Middle of the road, social liberal - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:32:22
     and the bull$hit about "the end of democracy" - just so - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:14:17
     it's already illegal for non-citizens to vote - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:08:41
          no it isn't. Check Arizona laws, Ferg. Go ahead. - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:16:12
               it's a political stunt - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:22:20
                    You abandoned the, "it's already illegal" BS, for - hokie VT - 7/11 07:05:59
                    Jose Luiz Gonzalez. - Logan BAMA - 7/10 21:52:00
                    Ask Bob Dornan about that - Spanky KU - 7/10 21:02:13
                         I have no idea who that is and what he - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:04:40
                              Google is too hard for some people(nm) - Spanky KU - 7/10 21:11:27
                                   I thought you would provide some contect - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:12:50
                                        Bob Dornan - Spanky KU - 7/10 21:27:01
                                             Never heard of him - Ferg MU - 7/10 22:29:33
                                                  RE: Never heard of him - Spanky KU - 7/10 22:54:56
                    false - it adds teeth (by way of requiring ID/verification) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:40:04
                    What's the logic, or lack thereof, behind the stunt? - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:36:16
                         the stunt is to perpetuate - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:07:32
                              That's the stunt in introducing the legislation - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:09:00
                                   why would someone support legislation that outlaws - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:14:55
                                        here, look at what the law actually is, ferg - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:18:25
                                        Folks supported "hate crime" legislation....those were - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:16:53
                                             so you're justifying adding an unnecessary law - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:44:11
                                                  see below(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:46:27
                                                       all I see below is about 10,000 posts by - Ferg MU - 7/10 22:01:52
                                                            it's amazing how easily you don't read and yet still - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:08:08
                                        kind of like the anti-lynching law - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 21:16:29
                                             Hate Crimes!! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:36:21
                                                  another good example of a law that is unnecesary - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:37:56
                                                       no, the law you still haven't read isn't redundant to the - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:38:31
                                                            personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:42:39
                                                                 RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:51:19
                                                                      RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:59:10
                                                                           LIKE I SAID EARLIER - there IS evidence, you just don't - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:03:19
                                                                      RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:58:39
                                                                           RE: personally, I don't like adding laws for problems - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:03:33
                                                                 why do you refuse to educate yourself? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 21:45:14
                                                                      why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:52:04
                                                                           RE: why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:52:30
                                                                                RE: why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:58:26
                                                                                     RE: why can't you provide evidence there's a problem? - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:02:42
                                                                      he disagrees that any non-citizen voting happens beyond - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:50:21
                                                                           yet you can't provide evidence to counter this - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:52:53
                                                                                RE: yet you can't provide evidence to counter this - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 22:01:08
                                                                                RE: yet you can't provide evidence to counter this - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:55:06
                                             I was thinking of that very example before you just posted - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:21:59
                                                  Or, and I'm just spit-balling here....it's an attempt to - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:25:25
                                   agree, his answer makes zero sense(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 21:13:07
                         I’m patiently waiting for Ferg’s answer here(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 7/10 20:50:21
                              See below....it may be the "requirements" to establish - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:52:19
                                   Poll taxes are unconstitutional - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:55:37
                                        legal ballot harvesting - this issue isn't about non-citizen - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:04:10
                    You are beyond help if you are saying there wasn't a single - Outsider MU - 7/10 20:29:48
                         I'm sure there was at least one - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:31:53
                              Its more than jus one... - Outsider MU - 7/10 20:43:31
                                   From article 90T posted below - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:54:04
                                        And that is a mixture of red and blue states(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:56:00
                                             what are the numbers from all the other states? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:58:38
                                                  Those numbers are noncitizen - haeffb MU - 7/10 21:02:41
                                                       nothing! it's to the benefit of the political operative help - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:09:04
                                                  No idea - meatiger MU - 7/10 21:01:04
                                   voter fraud doesnt exist if you dont look for it - Leader_of_the_bandwagon MU - 7/10 20:47:27
                                        voter fraud exists but it's not widespread - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:55:37
                                             You have no way of knowing that. You expect to see exact - Outsider MU - 7/10 21:01:30
                                                  every election there are a few individuals that - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:11:20
                                                       Dude, why does anyone commit a crime? They know they will - Outsider MU - 7/10 21:18:38
                                                       sigh - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:15:36
                                                            What’s the benefit to the operative? - haeffb MU - 7/10 21:31:24
                                                                 Ballot harvesting is no longer legal most places - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:37:25
                                             do you think "ballot harvesting" happens? is it "widespread" - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:00:14
                                             how.do.you.know? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:59:02
                                                  because there is no evidence to support this - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:08:45
                                                       there is no evidence you accept, ferg (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:09:38
                                                            what evidence have you provided? I asked you a name - Ferg MU - 7/10 21:25:11
                                                                 RE: what evidence have you provided? I asked you a name - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:52:49
                                                            You have provided none - meatiger MU - 7/10 21:17:20
                                                                 RE: You have provided none - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:52:56
                                        lol, right. if you try to audit, you're suppressing the vot - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:51:08
                              Here is a summary of the new law and why I disagree that - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:38:24
                              how can you know that any more than i can know there - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:36:27
                    Fine. Jail. Deportation. - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:25:50
                         RE: Fine. Jail. Deportation. - patriot MU - 7/10 20:31:51
                              I'd put Stephen Miller in the camp(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:34:12
                                   RE: I'd put Stephen Miller in the camp(nm) - patriot MU - 7/10 20:36:48
                                        Yeah, that's it(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:37:45
                                             RE: Yeah, that's it(nm) - patriot MU - 7/10 20:41:21
                                                  Most likely, charge them $10k and send them back in(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:42:44
                                                  We can deport 11 million people easily - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:42:33
                                                       RE: We can deport 11 million people easily - patriot MU - 7/10 20:50:18
                                                            There is no way to completely close the border - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:53:13
                                                                 you don't want anyone prohibited at all - so don't - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:55:56
                                                                      I think if you let them in easier - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:58:14
                                                            Mexico did nothing to stop them coming through, they - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:52:50
                                                       we let them in easily (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:44:14
                                                            That is a mostly passive process - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:48:39
                                                                 i know, meat. It was a joke. then f it, don't try. Just - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:51:55
                    Oh, sure, I have a list right here (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:25:18
                         it should be easy to find one name if this is such - Ferg MU - 7/10 20:30:07
                              i never claimed it is a "massive" problem, Ferg. I contend - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:31:01
               RE: no it isn't. Check Arizona laws, Ferg. Go ahead. - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:20:42
               It’s illegal. - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:19:36
                    Ok - I did some research. From what I can see it is - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:35:12
                         I have no issue - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:39:57
                    What is the law that makes it illegal everywhere? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:24:50
                         The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:33:01
                              here's a summary of the new law being proposed and - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:37:39
                                   Uh, do I get a free passport out of the deal? (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:50:07
                                        sure haeff, let me guess - it's an imposition and financial - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:54:22
                                             24th Amendment issue (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:59:58
                                                  it's not a "poll tax" any more than the ACA was a - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:10:29
                                                       So, you’re saying SCOTUS would strike down the law (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 21:16:57
                                                            no, I don't think SCOTUS can be trusted to execute - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:20:30
                                   So it requires a passport - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:47:50
                                        So maybe it's not a stunt vote, but a vote against junk - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:50:07
                                             Most State ID doesn’t require proof of citizenship (nm) - haeffb MU - 7/10 20:53:08
                                                  i'd be fine with this (Florida ID requirements to get DL) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:57:28
                                                       Can I use a death certificate? My mom would like to vote(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:04:18
                                                            is she a Dem in California? - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 21:10:49
                                                                 No, thankfully(nm) - Mormad MU - 7/10 21:14:38
                                                  so fund everyone getting a passport, all good! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:55:06
                                                  Your driver's license did....or it did when I got mine - Mormad MU - 7/10 20:54:42
                                   Did you mis-link?(nm) - meatiger MU - 7/10 20:40:59
                                        yeah, fixed, thanks. cookies issue. or dumb user with - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:43:28
                              RE: The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility - 90Tiger STL - 7/10 20:35:41




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