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We already have a 2nd amendment and right to self-defense...

Posted on: October 5, 2022 at 11:53:14 CT
zounami MU
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and it's wholly inadequate for most people.

How would elderly people defend themselves?... The threat of police and government law enforcement, alone, is enough to deter most criminals from targeting retirement communities.
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Who knew that pickle is pro-law enforcement?... - zounami MU - 10/5 11:13:09
     One thing we do know - meatiger MU - 10/5 13:21:52
     pickle has never opposed punishment for the violation - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:17:28
          Thank you, Mrs. pickle. - MizzouTigerz MU - 10/5 11:59:17
               it's uncanny... like they're DHs (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 12:16:22
               grow up and engage in mature discussion for once. Do - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:01:54
          in his utopia, how is the law enforced? (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:40:25
               By non-monopolized law enforcement. - dangertim MU - 10/5 11:46:41
                    Lol. Like private police can't be bought. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/5 12:07:58
                         why are you opposed to capitalism and the free market? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 12:16:19
                              I'm opposed to anarchy and unequal "justice" - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/5 12:23:25
                                   no, you’re opposed to capitalism and the free market (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 12:40:23
                                   Exactly. And they are truly retarded. (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 12:24:19
                              because he's a socialist (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:18:14
                         "the best justice a citizen can afford" is a good way to - zounami MU - 10/5 12:15:52
                              I suppose the Pinkertons did good work for those who - MUTGR OU - 10/5 12:20:04
                    I didn't ask "what", I asked "how" (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:49:06
                         he answered how, dummy (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 11:58:03
                              nope, not at all (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 12:15:25
                                   he did (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 12:16:38
                                        "non-monopolized law enforcement" doesn't explain how - zounami MU - 10/5 12:18:00
                                             how does buying a car work? - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:19:36
               lazy straw man - pickle MU - 10/5 11:43:20
                    Lazy?... You dodged the question with a non sequitur. (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:47:39
                         yes, lazy. using a straw man is lazy - pickle MU - 10/5 11:57:19
               By someone besides Merrick Garland and Joe Biden probably(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/5 11:43:02
               Private security, held accountable by their employers(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:41:57
                    I see. And how does the private security deal with gang- - zounami MU - 10/5 11:42:59
                         warlord justice, open warfare(nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 11:47:25
                              Private security isnt warfare. Do you believe individuals - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:49:15
                                   I'm saying that's what it would likely devolve to - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 11:51:25
                                        how is that different from today? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:20:45
                                             the scale would be much larger(nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 12:22:43
                                                  The USA is the largest warlord in history (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:23:24
                                                       talk about a straw man (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 12:30:52
                                                            that’s not a straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 12:40:44
                                                                 yes it is (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 13:10:29
                                                                      lol no (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 13:24:25
                                                                      do you not understand what a straw man is? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 13:13:00
                                                                           "To give the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the - zounami MU - 10/5 13:17:57
                                                                                it directly refuted it. you just don't understand what a - ashtray UF - 10/5 14:21:05
                                                       That's probably true - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 12:27:36
                                                            it is the topic at hand - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:30:23
                                        Expirements play out everyday... - MUTGR OU - 10/5 12:07:58
                                        It's a fantasy that only children would believe is viable. (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:53:46
                                             It's probably possible in high trust societies that have a - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 11:59:24
                                                  I'll agree with that. (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 12:17:16
                                        What do cops do to prevent that now? How would private - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:52:28
                                             it's probably a question of scale - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 11:58:00
                                                  private security would execute the wishes of their employer - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:22:57
                                                       And who polices the private security forces?.. Can they kill - zounami MU - 10/5 12:29:44
                                                            run through a thought experiment where in 2015 St. Louis - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 12:39:44
                                                                 good point (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 13:09:56
                                                            you don't have much confidence in capitalism, do you? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:31:02
                                                                 he’s a fascist (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 12:56:57
                                                                 For most sectors of the economy, yes... but some public - zounami MU - 10/5 12:34:00
                                                                      so you like a mix between socialism and capitalism? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:43:05
                                                                           yes, a hybrid system of mostly capitalism (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 13:08:50
                                                                                ok, libtard (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 13:13:16
                                                                                     I'm a pragmatic utilitarian. (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 13:16:16
                                                                                          no, you’re a fascist - pickle MU - 10/5 13:31:02
                                                  Why would they be at war with each other? Are private - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:00:52
                                                       why have humans been at war historically? - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 12:04:50
                                                            Why do certain stores have a private security guard?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:05:52
                                                                 for security?(nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 10/5 12:08:05
                                                                      and to war with other stores? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:24:02
                                                                      correct, because cops dont protect property or human - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:08:44
                                             The threat of police response, government prosecution... - zounami MU - 10/5 11:54:28
                                                  obviously not (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:24:49
                                                       The crime rate would be much higher without such a - zounami MU - 10/5 12:28:06
                                                            that deterrent wouldn't be any less with privatized police (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:29:36
                                                                 yeah, that rent-a-cop sure would deter violent criminals (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 12:30:26
                                                                      is that an argument? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:55:44
                                                  lol, deter most "criminals"? If they are deterred they - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:55:51
                                                       would-be criminals... damn you are obtuse (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:56:46
                                   Then explain how they would protect citizens, specifically (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:50:32
                                        By standing a post. Why is this difficult for you(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:51:19
                                             "standing a post"?... lol, so a retirement community... - zounami MU - 10/5 11:55:54
                                                  the retirement community can decide that for themselves - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:25:48
                                                       what if they're living on fixed income and a small budget... - zounami MU - 10/5 12:27:03
                                                            sounds like a good market opportunity - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:28:58
                                                  Private security. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:56:24
                                                       Who pays for it?... Are they armed?... And how would they - zounami MU - 10/5 11:57:43
                                                            They dont have to respond, they are actually there, on site - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:59:24
                                                                 "people pay for it"... "they have guns if they're paid to" - zounami MU - 10/5 12:14:42
                                                                      Cops dont prevent crime, they respond to crime(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:52:34
                         Better than cops do. See, cops dont actually prevent crime, - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:45:24
                              How?... You didn't answer the question. (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:48:46
                                   Private security and the right of self defense. Police dont - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:50:35
                                        We already have a 2nd amendment and right to self-defense... - zounami MU - 10/5 11:53:14
                                             lol, retirement communities have.......wait for it..... - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:54:43
                                                  wow, you're retarded... you really think all retirement - zounami MU - 10/5 11:58:30
                                                       Im in them all the time on business and many have a - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:02:59
                         Better than the cops did in 2020 - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/5 11:44:06
                              Are you serious? Dem politicians prevented cops from - zounami MU - 10/5 11:50:00
                                   lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/5 12:02:27
                                        why do you think cops are quitting / retiring in record - zounami MU - 10/5 12:12:12
                                   Lol. Now cops are controlled by democrats - El-ahrairah BAMA - 10/5 11:56:20
                                        and yes, if you followed the news you would know that - zounami MU - 10/5 12:00:26
                                        hefe is a libtard, like you (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 11:58:51
                                             you're the one supporting a libtard socialist ideology (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/5 12:57:38
                                             lol,Im the furthest thing from a lib you will ever meet(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:03:34
                                                  keep telling yourself that (nm) - zounami MU - 10/5 12:11:46
                                                       Im telling you that. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 12:54:12
                                        FFS, you cant make this sh*t up(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:56:48
               ...and what are the "individual rights" upon which the laws - zounami MU - 10/5 11:41:32
                    Natural rights - pickle MU - 10/5 12:01:57
                    Start by reading the Bill of Rights which are based on - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:42:49
                         The Bill of Rights limit the government, they do not protect - zounami MU - 10/5 11:45:56
                              Neither do cops. See above(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 10/5 11:47:02




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