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here comes the pitch framing argument

Posted on: April 25, 2022 at 11:33:35 CT
Joeboo MU
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I'm no stat geek, and I really dont even understand most advanced metrics

But apparently Perez is consistently evaluated as a below-average defensive catcher mostly due to his pitch framing?

I dont have a clue, but I see that referenced repeatedely anytime his defense is discussed.
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Molina has 4 hits on the season...0 HR's, 0 RBI, 0 Runs... - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 10:40:26
     I'm all for Yadi hate - beerdrinker69 MU - 4/25 12:18:38
          George Brett was an overrated cheater. - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:22:57
               George Brett is a massive douche bag. - kmawv8 MU - 4/25 12:41:59
                    you're a dbag and overrated(nm) - lqf2b8 MU - 4/25 12:47:29
                         Does this qualify as a mean tweet?(nm) - Mormad MU - 4/25 14:28:53
                         But not a massive dbag? - kmawv8 MU - 4/25 13:02:36
          false, false, true (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 12:21:00
               Yadi dominates the neck tat stat.(nm) - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:28:33
     Get back to me if salvy is still playing catcher - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 4/25 11:54:35
          Well the Royals best prospect now that Whit Jr. is up is - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:14:26
               Salvy is def a better hitter - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 4/25 12:33:34
          He probably won’t be for more than a couple years if - playhard NWMSU - 4/25 12:04:52
          And playing in more postseason games than anyone in AL - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:04:38
               Postseason win% = Salvy = 70%, Molina = 50.4% - Joeboo MU - 4/25 12:14:45
                    And ? - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:21:00
                         the numbers speak for themselves(nm) - Joeboo MU - 4/25 12:23:16
          ok but just to be clear... - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 11:56:47
               When we’re all 39 at the same time - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 4/25 11:59:44
                    RE: When we’re all 39 at the same time - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 12:03:51
     Both hall of famers - Hickeytime MU - 4/25 11:45:05
          I'll say this, his chances will go up if leaves for - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:29:25
               But if he goes to St. Louis then Yadi would be the 2nd - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:39:33
          You're half right. - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:05:29
               Good Lord you are dumb.(nm) - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:17:37
               Salvy has a WS title and WS MVP - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 12:13:22
                    Darrell Porter, David Eckstein, Scott Brosius, John - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:20:18
                         Did any of them hit the most HR's ever at their position in - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:22:57
                              Jeff Kent hit the most as a second baseman. Is he in the HOF - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:25:04
                                   No, Marcus Seiman. Kent isn't even in the top - dangertim MU - 4/25 12:29:08
                                        "The most ever" - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:31:19
                                             we're talking about most in a season. This thread is about - dangertim MU - 4/25 12:33:36
                                                  And Marcus Semien plays at shortstop. You're bad at this. - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:36:45
                                                       stop lying, corky - dangertim MU - 4/25 12:41:17
                                                  Charles said the most ever in his thread within the thread. - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:35:31
                                                       so your argument here, in a thread about Perez, to - dangertim MU - 4/25 12:44:15
                         Combined - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 12:22:44
     it's sad this works(nm) - TigerA MU - 4/25 11:38:06
          RE: it's sad this works(nm) - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 11:44:34
               People complained about that - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 11:52:00
                    F*cking disgusting (nm) - Cosmo MU - 4/25 12:19:56
                    everyone is talking about the effect on the hotdog - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 11:54:44
                         depending on the beer - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 11:56:34
                              if its good enough for Limp Bizkit, it's good enough for me - Joeboo MU - 4/25 11:58:00
                                   no but itd be a fun thing to say right before you did - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 12:01:38
                                        If that's the case then Gyro is a HUGE Limp Bizkit fan.(nm) - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:19:30
                    and isn't beer basically just liquid bread anyways? - Joeboo MU - 4/25 11:52:52
                         Yup, just states of matter - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 11:54:43
                              but how?? well ill show you how, sir - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 11:55:43
               practicing for a eating competition(nm) - TigerA MU - 4/25 11:48:05
               I kind of want to try that.(nm) - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 11:47:32
     Perez is hitting a whopping .250 playing six more games, - Erwin Fletcher STL - 4/25 11:21:56
     Good thing Albert came back to bail them out...(nm) - Rabbit Test MU - 4/25 11:18:47
     KC inferiority guy tries for a different angle. Swing & miss - TigerFan92 STL - 4/25 11:18:14
          April-May is when he flexes until reality sets in by - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:09:25
               Reality is Salvy is the better overall player at the - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:15:47
                    And on a team which could lose 90 or more games.....again. - Grant1818 MU - 4/25 12:28:17
          RE: KC inferiority guy tries for a different angle. Swing & miss - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 11:32:14
               Correct he needs medication (nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 4/26 14:29:52
               Lol.(nm) - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 11:36:43
               RE: KC inferiority guy tries for a different angle. Swing & miss - Cosmo MU - 4/25 11:33:45
     it's a bad comparison at this point - Joeboo MU - 4/25 11:15:37
          Stop making sense! (nm) - cooter MU - 4/25 11:46:03
          Correct - mizzouSECedes STL - 4/25 11:16:52
               This is where I disagree. I don't think Molina is MUCH - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 11:23:27
                    here comes the pitch framing argument - Joeboo MU - 4/25 11:33:35
                         perez regularly throws runners out from his knees - colonel angus beef KC - 4/25 11:41:27
                         YADI IS A COACH ON THE FIELD!!!1!11!1!1 (nm) - Cosmo MU - 4/25 11:34:29
     Neat - Cosmo MU - 4/25 11:08:06
          Not a fight. Just an honest comparison. The two catchers - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 11:10:17
               Right, posts like these never end up in a KC-STL p*ssing - Cosmo MU - 4/25 11:13:27
     Royals dead last in runs scored. If they were just average - Joeboo MU - 4/25 11:04:50
     But his hat seemed to me like an old halo - Toger STL - 4/25 10:48:10
          He's a good catcher, but Salvy will go down as the better - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 10:52:58
               Not close offensively? Are you just talking this season? - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/25 12:04:15
                    I didn't realize Yadi had 69 SB's...that's not too shabby.(nm) - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:25:10
                    He also set the MLB record for most HR's hit by a catcher - Carlos Rossi KC - 4/25 12:21:48
               I also don't think Salvy will be behind the plate in another - Joeboo MU - 4/25 11:24:07
     keep us posted (nm) - phrejd KC - 4/25 10:47:24




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