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Posted on: February 22, 2021 at 14:37:35 CT
meatiger
MU
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What is a realistic expectation for a power 5 coach to make
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playhard
NWMSU
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2/22 14:09:06
Power 5 coach at Duke, TCU, Miami or Mizzou
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ERB
KC
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2/22 19:25:15
RE: What is a realistic expectation for a power 5 coach to make
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KC rules
MU
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2/22 18:41:51
Sweet 16 5 out of 10 years?
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MIZtigerZOU
MU
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2/22 18:49:16
RE: Sweet 16 5 out of 10 years?
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KC rules
MU
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2/22 18:59:26
RE: Sweet 16 5 out of 10 years?
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MIZtigerZOU
MU
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2/22 19:22:06
for MU, 70-80% is the benchmark
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phrejd
MU
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2/22 17:53:34
Norm was in the tourney for 15 of his last 21 years
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KC rules
MU
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2/22 18:46:08
It's got to be more than just the tournament
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Missiurifarmboy
MU
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2/22 16:47:53
Assuming Mizzou holds its projected seed this will be the
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 16:57:35
80%, there are going to be some down years too(nm)
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 15:32:15
6 P5 teams have made 80%+ tourneys over the past 20 years
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:40:16
In the 20 yr period from 1976-1995 MU earned NCAA bids
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 15:43:51
"Our absolute highest peak is a good benchmark" (nm)
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:44:55
20 year period is a good sample set to draw conclusions(nm)
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 15:46:21
Since that 20 year run
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 15:52:50
That is very suboptimal. I was answering under
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 15:56:42
Do you not know what the word "benchmark" means? (nm)
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:58:14
point of reference against which things may be compared(nm)
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 16:03:51
Is UCLA's benchmark 7 straight national championships?
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zoomer
99
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2/22 16:18:36
I don't care about UCLA, and am not in a position
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 16:22:09
Too cowardly for thought experiments. Alright (nm)
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zoomer
99
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2/22 16:26:40
No offense, but this may not be your forte (nm)
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 16:27:22
lol (nm)
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:47:11
You asked for other 20 year examples
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FIJItiger
MU
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2/22 15:51:03
lol (nm)
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:52:09
80%+ is pretty rare
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:43:11
Not all P5 is the same. In the SEC, MU should make
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alwaysright
MU
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2/22 15:04:27
9 out of 10, no problem and at a school that barely tries
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Jeff80
MU
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2/22 19:48:08
nm
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:24:09
I bet very few non blue bloods make it at close to that rate
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 15:09:41
That would mean Mizzou consistently outperforms
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 15:08:02
I am not saying that we can just stumble out onto the court
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alwaysright
MU
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2/22 17:15:16
Mizzou needs a massive commitment increase
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 20:29:10
No, we need to be smarter.
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alwaysright
MU
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2/23 06:59:44
How does spending more money, result in more wins, ?? nm
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 15:25:49
There’s a pretty clear correlation to spending
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 15:33:00
Where do you need to increase spending, pay CM more
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 16:23:02
Recruiting and assistants pool for starters
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 16:26:13
We had Liddell, Christopher, Love, and Fletcher all
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 16:31:55
Having better assistants is part of it.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 16:37:50
Agreed. (nm)
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go tigers
MU
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2/22 22:40:48
If you want to say our facilities are not as good as other
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 16:43:40
Facilities are actually pretty good. It’s too big
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 16:51:55
nm
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/23 05:33:16
In a clear and direct way
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zoomer
99
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2/22 15:30:55
There are a lot of programs on that list that arent
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 16:20:40
You have to have a purpose to your increased spending
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 16:29:39
We are getting talent to look at MU but it appears they dont
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 16:34:29
Well most of those coaches that are “great” recruiters
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 16:40:02
That has always been the ku way, personally if it required
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 16:47:07
Mizzou wasn’t the only school that would hire Sr to get them
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 16:53:38
I would love to see the G league take all the players that
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 17:43:36
I don’t see that ever happening.
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 18:45:55
If you don't have a team capable of competing for the
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Fred G. Sanford
U
S
A
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2/22 14:52:19
But it's how most P5 programs are currently measured
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:54:18
67%(nm)
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meatiger
MU
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2/22 14:37:35
for MU, 2 out of 3 years (nm)
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:26:10
CM's pretty close to that. 2 of 4 in a total rebuild (nm)
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zoomer
99
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2/22 14:28:52
This year's offseason and next year's performance
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:36:11
Absolutely. He better land some Kassius Robertson-like
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:42:09
That kind of guy should be the #1 target for transfers
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:47:14
The jury's still out on CM in my opinion. If his recruiting
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:30:29
That's pretty much exactly the rate we've been at
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:26:57
This season will make 11 of 22 since Norm retired (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:29:02
What was it pre-Haith and KA? That's when we basically gave
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Lerxst
MU
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2/22 15:26:03
Let’s just take all the bad years away and it’s 100% (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 15:34:03
RE: What was it pre-Haith and KA? That's when we basically gave
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 15:30:02
Thank you for answering w/out being a smart a$$ like you...
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Lerxst
MU
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2/22 18:14:47
Correct, but I put a bit of an * there due to the Kim years
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:33:25
Mizzou still misses the tournament in at least 1 of the 3
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:46:43
He was put in a no-win situation after Haith cratered the
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go tigers
MU
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2/22 22:45:28
No (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 22:52:24
I would exclude the Kim years and immediate post-Quin years
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:37:55
So those years didn’t happen? (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:49:24
due to the Quin fiasco and Kim hiring (nm)
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:31:18
Those seasons happened
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:33:06
Agreed. (nm)
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go tigers
MU
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2/22 22:46:24
but they were flukes - it's silly to count them for the
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:34:42
Since those situations keep happening it’s not a fluke
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:38:13
Cant blame MU for those cycles,
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 15:12:00
It’s definitely on Mizzou
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 15:16:01
But whether you want to admit it or not,
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MU-TULSA
MU
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2/22 17:58:41
When all the coaches failed or left because
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 18:44:32
Wrong. Multiple flukes can happen, in fact they often do
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:40:04
I would be ok with Mizzou giving McCollum a shot
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:47:48
Good Lord. (nm)
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Lerxst
MU
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2/22 18:17:58
Have you watched his teams play? (nm)
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 22:23:50
...and if you do count them, there needs to be an asterisk
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:35:37
Yeah, I saw your post below right after I posted it...
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:28:40
I think that's a realistic expectation, especially with a
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playhard
NWMSU
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2/22 14:28:37
Our rate since the tourney expanded to 64 teams
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:23:54
Actually 65.6%
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:25:42
and now there are 68 teams, plus we've had bad luck with
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:28:07
for any school remotely considered a basketball school
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SuperTone
MU
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2/22 14:14:22
Good question. Our legend Norm made exactly 50%
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zoomer
99
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2/22 14:13:23
Starting in about 1978
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Tptiger
MU
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2/22 14:49:27
Yeah, I consider from 1976 on, we were kind of expected to
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ShowMeKid
MU
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2/22 15:41:40
Several of those seasons were before the tourney expanded
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Eggs
MU
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2/22 14:23:26
Norm made it 50% of the time and there were not as many
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Erwin Fletcher
STL
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2/22 14:12:46
That's a good point and Norm took over an absolute
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playhard
NWMSU
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2/22 14:17:18
What phase of their career?
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:12:45
CM has been a P5 coach for 10 years now and this would
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playhard
NWMSU
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2/22 14:20:21
It’s his 4th different job
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wu-tangtiger
MU
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2/22 14:25:35
Now that's a valid defense. (nm)
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zounami
MU
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2/22 14:41:16