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RE: what was your tipping point on tariffs? (nm)

Posted on: April 16, 2020 at 09:03:04 CT
90Tiger STL
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I already disagreed with tariffs; i was just rationalizing that using them to help reduce or use "force" to get another gvmt to reduce their tariffs was acceptable.

It isn't. It's just a second application of gvmt force on a market with tons of unintended consequences and simply philosophical wrong.
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This is the time you learn about who values rights and who - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:12:49
     I've informed my wife and two adult daughter's who have... - JayRoy KC - 4/16 09:05:32
          You were semi-correct at least - ashtray UF - 4/16 09:08:30
               Without the media, we have no panic or shutdown. On paper.. - JayRoy KC - 4/16 09:14:51
                    You thought, but you aren't - ashtray UF - 4/16 09:22:52
     To pickle's point, I hope you use this event to evaluate - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 08:32:28
          what was your tipping point on tariffs? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/16 08:59:51
               RE: what was your tipping point on tariffs? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:03:04
          I was encouraged that he seems to be coming ‘round - pickle MU - 4/16 08:39:05
          Looking below, that does not seem the case(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:33:38
               cool (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:03:33
     I hope you truly examine that in all areas (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:19:27
     When this is over, you should apply this sentiment to other - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:17:04
          What is the war on drugs - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:18:33
               It's the multi-govt effort to control the production, - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:20:03
                    I am all for working to limit the production and flow of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:21:34
                         only if you decide that "drugs" aren't property and - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:04:19
                         It is 100% an infringement on rights - pickle MU - 4/16 08:30:21
                         So closing a bar - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:25:35
                              There are times when they can and should close a bar(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:27:51
                                   No (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:31:21
                         Sorry man. But this post doesn't cotton with your OP. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:22:58
                              I disagree rather strongly(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:23:32
                                   Well, you’re wrong. It’s not a matter of disagreement - pickle MU - 4/16 08:30:57
                                   It doesn't matter if you disagree. Your OP sets forth a - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:26:09
                                        I can show you where we have protected rights to religion, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:30:06
                                             It's property. That's all that matters. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 08:33:07
                                             They are property rights - a natural right (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:32:07
                                             Natural rights to life, liberty, and property cover it. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:31:44
                                                  So you are likely one of those who don't oppose things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:33:54
                                                       I oppose the possession of child pornography. - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:38:01
                                                            That is telling - at what age should a teacher be able to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:39:25
                                                                 RE: That is telling - at what age should a teacher be able to - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:42:55
                                                                      Why should that be the case ummmm? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:43:53
                                                                           Why should what be the case? There were multiple issues - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:46:44
                                                                                So should teachers/students, or for that matter adults and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:48:48
                                                                                     RE: So should teachers/students, or for that matter adults and - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:50:41
                                                                                          Should there be any laws against adults and children having - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:52:27
                                                                                               RE: Should there be any laws against adults and children having - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:55:48
                                                                                                    Who determines that vague variable? Where does that comport - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:57:14
                                                                                                         There’s no squishiness here. (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 09:01:48
                                                                                                         RE: Who determines that vague variable? Where does that comport - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:01:20
                                                                                                              It is a completely subjective standard that has to be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:28:09
                                                                                                              Because you challenged that with drug enforcement I was - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:03:18
                                                                                                                   The only one placing limits on rights here is you - pickle MU - 4/16 09:06:41
                                                                                                                   And I clearly do. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:05:29
                                                                                                                        So at what age does a child not have liberty to have sex - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:06:40
                                                                                                                             there isn't one (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:10:49
                                                                                                                             recognize that every one is a unique individual - pickle MU - 4/16 09:08:25
                                                                                                                             I don't know. It's an unanswerable question in a general - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:08:15
                                                                                                                                  Why should there be any limit? Start there? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:15:59
                                                                                                                                       I've answered all of your questions here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:17:35
                                                                                                                                            If rights are unalienable there should be no limits on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:19:53
                                                                                                                                                 and there aren’t any (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 10:32:09
                                                                                                                                                 Inalienable means they cannot be taken away. It doesn't - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:23:07
                                                                                                                                                      But you cannot, nor can anyone else, explain how that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:26:25
                                                                 wow...we went from the drug war - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:41:13
                                                                      Will you answer the question? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:42:35
                                                                           I have not gotten that far yet - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:45:28
                                                                                What do you mean you aren't there? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:47:30
                                                                                     They do have that right - pickle MU - 4/16 08:54:35
                                                                                          Very interesting. You believe a school teacher has the - *M* KC - 4/16 09:02:52
                                                                                               *M*, i couldn’t have any less respect for you than i do - pickle MU - 4/16 09:11:19
                                                                                               There is all types of equivocating on that issue in this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:04:23
                                                                                                    all types? who are you referring to? Name them (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 09:12:46
                                                                                     Because I think some things are still very disgusting - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:50:07
                                                                                          How disgusting does something need to be in order - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:08:46
                                                                                               Disgusting isn’t the barometer (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 09:11:51
                                                                                          So life and liberty are good until you find something - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:53:32
                                                                                               That’s a straw man (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:56:42
                                                                           Do you agree with juveniles being charged as adults? - pickle MU - 4/16 08:44:54
                                                                 why are you trying to change the subject? (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:40:41
                                                       Possession can only be for the tangible - pickle MU - 4/16 08:37:56
                                                       My advice - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:37:04
                                                            Yeah, we're all the way out on the fringes when it comes - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:38:40
                                                                 Why is that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:40:58
                                                                      Yes. There are items that are harder to support from a - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:44:40
                                                                           Thanks for the quote - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:47:33
                                                                                Now apply it to the inside trader - pickle MU - 4/16 08:57:40
                                                                           So what is your answer since you are here to preach - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:46:03
                                                                                It's an unanswerable question with countless variables. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:48:44
                                                                                     Give it a try? Should adults and those under 18 be free - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:49:57
                                                                                          there is no blanket age, all people are unique (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:17:18
                                                                                               So how does anyone set a standard? Where does liberty end?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:22:03
                                                                                          Of course. are you aware that gvmt has consent laws - pickle MU - 4/16 08:52:27
                                                                                          Again, it's an unanswerable question with countless - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:51:29
                                                                                               Direct question - should a 40 year old man be able to have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:55:06
                                                                                                    It’s a poor assumption and understanding. Drop “should” (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:56:06
                                                                                                    Answered above. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:56:04
                                                                                                         Not really - you are suddenly squishy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:58:13
                                                                                                              You're poorly phrasing your questions. I'm doing my best to - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:02:14
                                                                                                                   Direct question - why should there be any age restrictions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:05:28
                                                                                                                        What do you mean by restrictions? - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:06:35
                                                                                                                             this is you being obtuse again - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 09:07:29
                                                                                                                                  No, I don't. Please explain what it means. - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:09:39
                                                                                                                             At what age does one have the liberty to have sex with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:07:16
                                                                                               So why are you willing to limit life and liberty? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:54:26
                                                                                                    There are limits on actions based on the non-aggression - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:57:07
                                                                                                         This isn't aggressive - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:59:14
                                                                                                              Yes, it is. If the 12 year did not have the capacity to - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:03:05
                                                                                                                   Who determines that subjective standard?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:07:56
                                                                                                                        I answered that here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:10:35
                                                                                                                             My turn to ask a question: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:11:03
                                                                                                                                  I believe that to be too young - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:14:44
                                                                                                                                       Would you be satisfied with it? That was the question. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:16:23
                                                                                                                                            No, I would not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:18:38
                                                                                                                                                 There are national govts with age of consent laws - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:21:40
                                                                                                                                                      You haven't answered with anything that is even remotely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:23:21
                                                                                                                                                           It's right here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:25:16
                                                                                                                                                                That is a completely subjective standard that must be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:29:24
                                                                                                                                                                     Where do you think age of consent laws come from? - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:34:58
                                                                                                                                                                          I am not asking for the state's definition - I am asking - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:40:21
                                                                                                    He isn’t suggesting or advocating limiting them (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:55:03
                                                                      This is how the whole park thing started - pickle MU - 4/16 08:43:26
                                                            My advice - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:38:29
                                                                 It’s an open forum (nm) - pickle MU - 4/16 08:39:47
                                                  And if you're saying that we get our rights from govt, then - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:32:30
                                                       it was - pickle MU - 4/16 08:41:52
                                                            Letting go of the power structure is a process - ashtray UF - 4/16 08:42:47
                                        RE: It doesn't matter if you disagree. Your OP sets forth a - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:29:22
                                             Nope, it is still a forward looking goal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:30:46
                         Other than for those who hope to produce or use them - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 08:22:24
     The irony - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:15:01
          I have every confidence one day you will make a significant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:17:25
               RE: I have every confidence one day you will make a significant - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:23:54
                    And you just demonstrated that challenge remains ahead of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:25:56
                         And yesterday Pickle gave you credit - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:28:48
                              Perhaps one day someone will say the same of you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:31:31




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