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This is the time you learn about who values rights and who - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:12:49

I've informed my wife and two adult daughter's who have... - JayRoy KC - 4/16 09:05:32

You were semi-correct at least - ashtray UF - 4/16 09:08:30

Without the media, we have no panic or shutdown. On paper.. - JayRoy KC - 4/16 09:14:51

You thought, but you aren't - ashtray UF - 4/16 09:22:52

To pickle's point, I hope you use this event to evaluate - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 08:32:28

what was your tipping point on tariffs? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/16 08:59:51

RE: what was your tipping point on tariffs? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:03:04

I was encouraged that he seems to be coming ‘round - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:39:05

Looking below, that does not seem the case(nm) - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:33:38

cool (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:03:33

I hope you truly examine that in all areas (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:19:27

When this is over, you should apply this sentiment to other - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:17:04

What is the war on drugs - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:18:33

It's the multi-govt effort to control the production, - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:20:03

I am all for working to limit the production and flow of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:21:34

only if you decide that "drugs" aren't property and - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:04:19

It is 100% an infringement on rights - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:30:21

So closing a bar - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:25:35

There are times when they can and should close a bar(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:27:51

No (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:31:21

Sorry man. But this post doesn't cotton with your OP. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:22:58

I disagree rather strongly(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:23:32

Well, you’re wrong. It’s not a matter of disagreement - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:30:57

It doesn't matter if you disagree. Your OP sets forth a - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:26:09

I can show you where we have protected rights to religion, - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:30:06

It's property. That's all that matters. (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 08:33:07

They are property rights - a natural right (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:32:07

Natural rights to life, liberty, and property cover it. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:31:44

So you are likely one of those who don't oppose things - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:33:54

I oppose the possession of child pornography. - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:38:01

That is telling - at what age should a teacher be able to - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:39:25

RE: That is telling - at what age should a teacher be able to - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:42:55

Why should that be the case ummmm? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:43:53

Why should what be the case? There were multiple issues - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:46:44

So should teachers/students, or for that matter adults and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:48:48

RE: So should teachers/students, or for that matter adults and - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:50:41

Should there be any laws against adults and children having - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:52:27

RE: Should there be any laws against adults and children having - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:55:48

Who determines that vague variable? Where does that comport - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:57:14

There’s no squishiness here. (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:01:48

RE: Who determines that vague variable? Where does that comport - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:01:20

It is a completely subjective standard that has to be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:28:09

Because you challenged that with drug enforcement I was - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:03:18

The only one placing limits on rights here is you - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:06:41

And I clearly do. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:05:29

So at what age does a child not have liberty to have sex - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:06:40

there isn't one (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:10:49

recognize that every one is a unique individual - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:08:25

I don't know. It's an unanswerable question in a general - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:08:15

Why should there be any limit? Start there? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:15:59

I've answered all of your questions here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:17:35

If rights are unalienable there should be no limits on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:19:53

and there aren’t any (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 10:32:09

Inalienable means they cannot be taken away. It doesn't - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:23:07

But you cannot, nor can anyone else, explain how that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:26:25

wow...we went from the drug war - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:41:13

Will you answer the question? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:42:35

I have not gotten that far yet - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:45:28

What do you mean you aren't there? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:47:30

They do have that right - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:54:35

Very interesting. You believe a school teacher has the - *M* KC - 4/16 09:02:52

*M*, i couldn’t have any less respect for you than i do - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:11:19

There is all types of equivocating on that issue in this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:04:23

all types? who are you referring to? Name them (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:12:46

Because I think some things are still very disgusting - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:50:07

How disgusting does something need to be in order - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:08:46

Disgusting isn’t the barometer (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 09:11:51

So life and liberty are good until you find something - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:53:32

That’s a straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:56:42

Do you agree with juveniles being charged as adults? - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:44:54

why are you trying to change the subject? (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:40:41

Possession can only be for the tangible - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:37:56

My advice - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:37:04

Yeah, we're all the way out on the fringes when it comes - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:38:40

Why is that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:40:58

Yes. There are items that are harder to support from a - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:44:40

Thanks for the quote - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:47:33

Now apply it to the inside trader - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:57:40

So what is your answer since you are here to preach - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:46:03

It's an unanswerable question with countless variables. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:48:44

Give it a try? Should adults and those under 18 be free - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:49:57

there is no blanket age, all people are unique (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/16 09:17:18

So how does anyone set a standard? Where does liberty end?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:22:03

Of course. are you aware that gvmt has consent laws - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:52:27

Again, it's an unanswerable question with countless - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:51:29

Direct question - should a 40 year old man be able to have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:55:06

It’s a poor assumption and understanding. Drop “should” (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:56:06

Answered above. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:56:04

Not really - you are suddenly squishy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:58:13

You're poorly phrasing your questions. I'm doing my best to - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:02:14

Direct question - why should there be any age restrictions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:05:28

What do you mean by restrictions? - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:06:35

this is you being obtuse again - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 09:07:29

No, I don't. Please explain what it means. - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:09:39

At what age does one have the liberty to have sex with - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:07:16

So why are you willing to limit life and liberty? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:54:26

There are limits on actions based on the non-aggression - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:57:07

This isn't aggressive - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:59:14

Yes, it is. If the 12 year did not have the capacity to - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:03:05

Who determines that subjective standard?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:07:56

I answered that here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:10:35

My turn to ask a question: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:11:03

I believe that to be too young - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:14:44

Would you be satisfied with it? That was the question. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:16:23

No, I would not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:18:38

There are national govts with age of consent laws - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:21:40

You haven't answered with anything that is even remotely - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:23:21

It's right here: - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:25:16

That is a completely subjective standard that must be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:29:24

Where do you think age of consent laws come from? - ummmm MU - 4/16 09:34:58

I am not asking for the state's definition - I am asking - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 09:40:21

He isn’t suggesting or advocating limiting them (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:55:03

This is how the whole park thing started - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:43:26

My advice - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:38:29

It’s an open forum (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:39:47

And if you're saying that we get our rights from govt, then - ummmm MU - 4/16 08:32:30

it was - pickle MU

- 4/16 08:41:52

Letting go of the power structure is a process - ashtray UF - 4/16 08:42:47

RE: It doesn't matter if you disagree. Your OP sets forth a - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:29:22

Nope, it is still a forward looking goal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:30:46

Other than for those who hope to produce or use them - MrBlueSky MU - 4/16 08:22:24

The irony - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:15:01

I have every confidence one day you will make a significant - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:17:25

RE: I have every confidence one day you will make a significant - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:23:54

And you just demonstrated that challenge remains ahead of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:25:56

And yesterday Pickle gave you credit - meatiger MU - 4/16 08:28:48

Perhaps one day someone will say the same of you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/16 08:31:31

It is 100% an infringement on rights

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