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that’s still begging the question

Posted on: February 12, 2020 at 13:13:42 CT
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yes, I know there is a constitution. I’m asking for evidence of the legitimacy behind the state’s claims.

I’m also asking if I can’t give you the right to steal or kill someone, then how did the State get that right?
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the two questions that have remained unanswered - pickle MU - 2/12 12:02:46
     RE: the two questions that have remained unanswered - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:47:11
          incorrect and begging the question (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:11:59
          I didn't voluntarily accept the constitution. I had no say - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:52:11
               You have no right to bare arms then - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:59:52
                    the Constitution doesn't grant rights - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:03:35
     RE: the two questions that have remained unanswered - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:44:04
          incorrect - pickle MU - 2/12 14:11:25
          incorrect - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:47:18
     . - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 12:58:55
     1. the binding of the laws is territorial - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 12:44:40
          I'm gonna have my dog sh*t in your front lawn every day. - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:33:42
               fortunately, in your scenario there are options short of - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:54:35
                    What's funny is the action that he described - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:57:47
                         The point is over your head. It is about how implied - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:58:37
                              And again, you advocate for a system that is no different - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:01:03
                                   false (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:13:02
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:03:07
                                        How is it false? - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:03:47
                                             you don't know what "system" TigerMatt advocates (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:04:38
                                                  I assume he wants one where his dog can **** anywhere - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:07:02
                                                       you would assume incorrectly, then (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:07:46
                    why? (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:56:13
          1. that’s begging the question - pickle MU - 2/12 12:52:02
               Ok, it doesn't exist. Now you can go back to sleep.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:45:31
               ugggh. socratic a**hole. - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:00:25
                    that’s still begging the question - pickle MU - 2/12 13:13:42
                         What has always intrigued me about these discussions - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:18:57
                              that’s a great point (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 13:27:43
                    There's nothing in the Constitution that supports your - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:10:31
                         assuming we're talking us, the 10th amendment does - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:22:25
                              you’re starting in the middle - pickle MU - 2/12 13:28:59
                              No, it doesn't. - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:25:42
                                   the people agreed to be governed - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:38:48
                                        there is no implied consent - pickle MU - 2/12 13:41:57
                                             2. i disagree with your "all tax is theft" stance - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:46:33
                                                  why is capital punishment wrong? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:13:59
                                                  There will be no difference in the conversation in the - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:47:52
                                                       irony (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:49:37
                                                       Your position is black/white. Don't like it.. move.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:49:21
                                        Well, yeah, I am going to argue that people 200 years ago - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:41:06
                                             what do you mean dismissed? - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:51:44
                                                  I don't understand the difference. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:56:06
                                                  same thing (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:53:14
                                                       lol, yeah. that sounded different when i was writing it.(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:55:59
     since we as individual, sovereign beings have, in the past - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/12 12:20:50
          can we or can we not voluntarily bind ourselves as slaves - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/12 12:28:32
          that doesn’t make any sense - pickle MU - 2/12 12:24:29
               Life's a bltch ain't it.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:46:20
     1. Social Contract 2. Consent of the governed - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:09:20
          I never signed a contract (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:26:38
               Your mother and father did at your birth (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:27:22
                    Wow....lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/12 13:37:05
                    no they didn’t - pickle MU - 2/12 13:30:47
                    no they didn't (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:29:37
          Social Imposition is a better term. - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:01:23
          A contract is an agreement between two or more parties. - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 12:22:43
               Great point tigerfatt manlett. Nm - yy4u MU - 2/12 12:29:43
               You are certainly free to renounce citizenship - Mormad MU - 2/12 12:26:15
                    no you aren't - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:29:12
                         There are limited opportunities to tag you after renouncing - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:37:01
                              there is nothing to renounce - pickle MU - 2/12 13:48:20
                                   Then simply live in natural state - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:50:10
                                        what are you scared of? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:08:50
                                             Certain spiders creep me out - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:13:17
                                                  no, about these questions and discussions - pickle MU - 2/12 14:15:27
                                                       It does a little, but that's ok - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:20:29
                                                            All I’m doing here is asking for evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 14:42:06
                                                            Albeit a "public" system, not a "private" one(nm) - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:21:41
                                                                 the difference is that one is voluntary (ours) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:28:47
                                                                      I voluntarily stay - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:32:12
                                                                           you aren't free to leave - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:34:39
                                                                                He is free to leave - Spanky KU - 2/12 15:46:05
                                                                                     You have to pay to do that (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 16:36:43
                                        we aren't allowed to - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:52:24
                                             Sure you are, you just can't do it here - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:54:23
                    Do you believe a woman being repeatedly beaten by her - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 12:52:27
                         Ask your wife - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:16:09
                              you don’t consent to be governed - pickle MU - 2/12 14:21:25
                              So why does the abused have to leave and not the abuser? - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:27:11
                                   I assume if you can marshal enough influence - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:33:38
                                        But there is no consent in that. It goes back to whomever - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:34:52
                                             True - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:38:07
                                   excellent point (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:30:41
                              Nope, it's all or nothing for the cucumbers (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:17:48
                    the question is regarding the legitimacy of the claims - pickle MU - 2/12 12:29:01
                         I didn't answer your silly question - Mormad MU - 2/12 12:31:02
                              you didn’t give a solution, and i didn’t ask for one - pickle MU - 2/12 12:35:19
                                   Anectdotally, the evidence is that millions of people - Mormad MU - 2/12 12:40:18
                                        millions of people owned slaves in the past - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:33:57
                                             No, it's evidence that it was legal at the time - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:36:04
                                        that’s not evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 12:49:11
                                             Evidence is defined as - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:08:24
                                                  that people have complied is not evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 13:14:54
                                   And I gave you a reason for the legitimacy of gov't - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:38:31
                                        you didn’t. I asked for the evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 12:43:49
                                             North Koreans renounce their citizenship regularly - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:45:51
                                                  that’s not what i asked (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 12:49:31
                                                       You choosing to live in the USA is your consent. - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:50:44
                                                            do you know what a contract is? (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:35:49
                                                            A woman living with a husband who beats her is not - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 12:58:12
                                                                 If she doesn't leave, alert authorities, seek help outside - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:17:20
                                                                      Good Lord (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/12 14:32:40
                                                                      so it's her fault her husband beats her - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:36:37
                                                                           That's not what I said (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:37:14
                                                                                yes it is - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:38:23
                                                                                     No, that's not a logical truth - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:49:02
                                                                                          false - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:52:57
                                                                      Wow (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 13:29:42
                                                                      Wow.. just wow. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:23:32
                                                                           I never said the abuse was justified or acceptable(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:32:13
                                                                                Authorization or consent to an action is a justification. - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:36:35
                                                            1. that’s not consent - pickle MU - 2/12 12:52:41
                                                                 1. It is. 2. No it isn't (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:54:10
                                                                      it isn’t consent - pickle MU - 2/12 13:01:29
          1. There is no social contract - pickle MU - 2/12 12:20:02
               1. There is. 2. It's not (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:21:30
                    1. There isn’t - pickle MU - 2/12 12:23:19
                         Renounce your citizenship, then (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:26:37
                              non-responsive - pickle MU - 2/12 12:28:00
                                   And I gave you evidence. And you reject it. - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:41:32
                                        you didn’t give any evidence at all (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 12:45:13
     Eliminate the state (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/12 12:03:08
          Stop the war on drugs..... - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/12 13:11:41
          yes (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 12:07:10




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