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the two questions that have remained unanswered

Posted on: February 12, 2020 at 12:02:46 CT
pickle MU
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1. the gvmt says you are a citizen and that it has jurisdiction over you, and that you are bound to its laws. since we are individual, sovereign beings, what is the evidence for the legitimacy of these claims?

2. if I do not have a right to steal from someone or a right to kill someone that is not in self-defense or in defense of another, and if I can’t give someone those rights, how did gvmt gain these rights?
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the two questions that have remained unanswered - pickle MU - 2/12 12:02:46
     RE: the two questions that have remained unanswered - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:47:11
          incorrect and begging the question (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:11:59
          I didn't voluntarily accept the constitution. I had no say - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:52:11
               You have no right to bare arms then - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:59:52
                    the Constitution doesn't grant rights - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:03:35
     RE: the two questions that have remained unanswered - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:44:04
          incorrect - pickle MU - 2/12 14:11:25
          incorrect - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:47:18
     . - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 12:58:55
     1. the binding of the laws is territorial - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 12:44:40
          I'm gonna have my dog sh*t in your front lawn every day. - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:33:42
               fortunately, in your scenario there are options short of - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:54:35
                    What's funny is the action that he described - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:57:47
                         The point is over your head. It is about how implied - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:58:37
                              And again, you advocate for a system that is no different - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:01:03
                                   false (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:13:02
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:03:07
                                        How is it false? - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:03:47
                                             you don't know what "system" TigerMatt advocates (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:04:38
                                                  I assume he wants one where his dog can **** anywhere - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:07:02
                                                       you would assume incorrectly, then (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:07:46
                    why? (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:56:13
          1. that’s begging the question - pickle MU - 2/12 12:52:02
               Ok, it doesn't exist. Now you can go back to sleep.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:45:31
               ugggh. socratic a**hole. - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:00:25
                    that’s still begging the question - pickle MU - 2/12 13:13:42
                         What has always intrigued me about these discussions - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:18:57
                              that’s a great point (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 13:27:43
                    There's nothing in the Constitution that supports your - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:10:31
                         assuming we're talking us, the 10th amendment does - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:22:25
                              you’re starting in the middle - pickle MU - 2/12 13:28:59
                              No, it doesn't. - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:25:42
                                   the people agreed to be governed - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:38:48
                                        there is no implied consent - pickle MU - 2/12 13:41:57
                                             2. i disagree with your "all tax is theft" stance - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:46:33
                                                  why is capital punishment wrong? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:13:59
                                                  There will be no difference in the conversation in the - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:47:52
                                                       irony (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:49:37
                                                       Your position is black/white. Don't like it.. move.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:49:21
                                        Well, yeah, I am going to argue that people 200 years ago - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:41:06
                                             what do you mean dismissed? - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:51:44
                                                  I don't understand the difference. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:56:06
                                                  same thing (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:53:14
                                                       lol, yeah. that sounded different when i was writing it.(nm) - gmmm98 MU - 2/12 13:55:59
     since we as individual, sovereign beings have, in the past - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/12 12:20:50
          can we or can we not voluntarily bind ourselves as slaves - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/12 12:28:32
          that doesn’t make any sense - pickle MU - 2/12 12:24:29
               Life's a bltch ain't it.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/12 13:46:20
     1. Social Contract 2. Consent of the governed - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:09:20
          I never signed a contract (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:26:38
               Your mother and father did at your birth (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:27:22
                    Wow....lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 2/12 13:37:05
                    no they didn’t - pickle MU - 2/12 13:30:47
                    no they didn't (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:29:37
          Social Imposition is a better term. - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:01:23
          A contract is an agreement between two or more parties. - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 12:22:43
               Great point tigerfatt manlett. Nm - yy4u MU - 2/12 12:29:43
               You are certainly free to renounce citizenship - Mormad MU - 2/12 12:26:15
                    no you aren't - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:29:12
                         There are limited opportunities to tag you after renouncing - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:37:01
                              there is nothing to renounce - pickle MU - 2/12 13:48:20
                                   Then simply live in natural state - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:50:10
                                        what are you scared of? (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 14:08:50
                                             Certain spiders creep me out - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:13:17
                                                  no, about these questions and discussions - pickle MU - 2/12 14:15:27
                                                       It does a little, but that's ok - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:20:29
                                                            All I’m doing here is asking for evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 14:42:06
                                                            Albeit a "public" system, not a "private" one(nm) - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:21:41
                                                                 the difference is that one is voluntary (ours) - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:28:47
                                                                      I voluntarily stay - Mormad MU - 2/12 14:32:12
                                                                           you aren't free to leave - ashtray UF - 2/12 14:34:39
                                                                                He is free to leave - Spanky KU - 2/12 15:46:05
                                                                                     You have to pay to do that (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 16:36:43
                                        we aren't allowed to - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:52:24
                                             Sure you are, you just can't do it here - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:54:23
                    Do you believe a woman being repeatedly beaten by her - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 12:52:27
                         Ask your wife - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:16:09
                              you don’t consent to be governed - pickle MU - 2/12 14:21:25
                              So why does the abused have to leave and not the abuser? - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:27:11
                                   I assume if you can marshal enough influence - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:33:38
                                        But there is no consent in that. It goes back to whomever - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:34:52
                                             True - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:38:07
                                   excellent point (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:30:41
                              Nope, it's all or nothing for the cucumbers (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:17:48
                    the question is regarding the legitimacy of the claims - pickle MU - 2/12 12:29:01
                         I didn't answer your silly question - Mormad MU - 2/12 12:31:02
                              you didn’t give a solution, and i didn’t ask for one - pickle MU - 2/12 12:35:19
                                   Anectdotally, the evidence is that millions of people - Mormad MU - 2/12 12:40:18
                                        millions of people owned slaves in the past - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:33:57
                                             No, it's evidence that it was legal at the time - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:36:04
                                        that’s not evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 12:49:11
                                             Evidence is defined as - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:08:24
                                                  that people have complied is not evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 13:14:54
                                   And I gave you a reason for the legitimacy of gov't - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:38:31
                                        you didn’t. I asked for the evidence - pickle MU - 2/12 12:43:49
                                             North Koreans renounce their citizenship regularly - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:45:51
                                                  that’s not what i asked (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 12:49:31
                                                       You choosing to live in the USA is your consent. - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:50:44
                                                            do you know what a contract is? (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:35:49
                                                            A woman living with a husband who beats her is not - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 12:58:12
                                                                 If she doesn't leave, alert authorities, seek help outside - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:17:20
                                                                      Good Lord (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 2/12 14:32:40
                                                                      so it's her fault her husband beats her - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:36:37
                                                                           That's not what I said (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:37:14
                                                                                yes it is - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:38:23
                                                                                     No, that's not a logical truth - Mormad MU - 2/12 13:49:02
                                                                                          false - ashtray UF - 2/12 13:52:57
                                                                      Wow (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 13:29:42
                                                                      Wow.. just wow. (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/12 13:23:32
                                                                           I never said the abuse was justified or acceptable(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 13:32:13
                                                                                Authorization or consent to an action is a justification. - ummmm MU - 2/12 13:36:35
                                                            1. that’s not consent - pickle MU - 2/12 12:52:41
                                                                 1. It is. 2. No it isn't (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:54:10
                                                                      it isn’t consent - pickle MU - 2/12 13:01:29
          1. There is no social contract - pickle MU - 2/12 12:20:02
               1. There is. 2. It's not (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:21:30
                    1. There isn’t - pickle MU - 2/12 12:23:19
                         Renounce your citizenship, then (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:26:37
                              non-responsive - pickle MU - 2/12 12:28:00
                                   And I gave you evidence. And you reject it. - MrBlueSky MU - 2/12 12:41:32
                                        you didn’t give any evidence at all (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 12:45:13
     Eliminate the state (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/12 12:03:08
          Stop the war on drugs..... - Tigrrrr! MU - 2/12 13:11:41
          yes (nm) - pickle MU - 2/12 12:07:10




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