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It would still be a straw man

Posted on: December 7, 2018 at 10:04:48 CT

pickle MU

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I have never rejected Japan's aggression. The argument has never been that Japan did not do horrible things. For once, and I know it's impossible for you, address the argument and content directly.

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How FDR's economic warfare provoked Japan's attack on PH - pickle MU

- 12/7 09:53:49

The Old 9-11(nm) - JG A - 12/7 13:30:06

RE: How FDR's economic warfare provoked Japan's attack on PH - None**** MU - 12/7 10:48:45

Pickle is vainly trying to criticize the US and has - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:21:07

The article is about FDR - pickle MU

- 12/7 11:27:16

Know what reasons that article gives for Japan - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 10:05:25

Obviously you didn't read it - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:14:13

"Japanese diplomatic overtures" which demanded: - tigerinhogtown STL - 12/7 15:33:40

Lets see, first we restricted sales of - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:06:22

You didn't read it - pickle MU

- 12/7 11:12:52

Actually read it twice. And you gave - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:13:37

Well then what am I left to conclude? - pickle MU

- 12/7 11:23:41

lol GAT (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/7 11:12:38

A superb rebuttal, fully showing your total intellect. - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:15:14

it wasn't a rebuttal (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/7 11:16:27

Then I missed your point.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:18:20

just letting you know I got a chuckle from your post (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 12/7 11:26:26

Should FDR encouraged Japan's violation of the NAP - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:21:02

And why oh why, Pickle, did the USA sanction Japan? - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:19:03

Economic sanctions /=/ aggressive military action (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:23:03

there was both. Reread my post - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:27:39

sounds like you're in agreement then - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:22:09

Ok, Japan was "provoked". So the hell what? You - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:09:55

I didn't define or redefine anything, GAT (nm) - pickle MU

- 12/7 11:14:21

But to use that word as an obvious criticism of - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:17:15

So you're wrong again - pickle MU

- 12/7 11:25:55

RE: sounds like you're in agreement then - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:26:13

It’s always puzzling to me - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 09:59:28

If that post had been written by an intelligent person, I - hokie VT - 12/7 10:30:18

Why don't you try to engage for a change? - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:42:50

Wow. A hard level of stupidity to beat. PH is - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 10:08:18

Japan didn't start it, GAT. It's right there in the article(nm) - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:17:43

I spent a lot of time in Japan on business for 10 yrs - mu7176grad MU - 12/7 10:07:04

And that useless article didn't bother to mention that - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 10:10:35

Because the article is about the US and FDR, GAT - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:19:06

Wow. Just wow. Somebody else can handle that. - GA Tiger MU - 12/7 11:07:50

You are so lost (nm) - pickle MU

- 12/7 11:40:57

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets, dumb@ss - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:06:33

Under that standard, the Japanese could have attacked - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:09:13

Civilian targets are most definitely military targets as - DHighlander KC - 12/7 11:12:06

Wow - pickle MU

- 12/7 12:44:49

Yeah, really silly stuff. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 12:27:50

Pearl Harbor was a purely military target. It wasn't THAT - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:30:10

They knew better than to invade the us - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:39:24

Not invade.... attack. - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:43:10

Wrong we invaded Okinawa - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:44:24

Okinawa was not a Japanese island - Spanky KU - 12/7 10:49:33

Well no but babble on(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:17:39

Why not? - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:21:34

Do better Ringo - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:25:03

Well, maybe not Macon. But probably Detroit or - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:54:57

Because they didn't have a nuke. They DID - Spanky KU - 12/7 11:03:54

Those are totally irrelevant factoids to the discussion - ummmm MU - 12/7 11:05:31

That Japan didn't have a nuke or the capability to - Spanky KU - 12/7 11:10:49

It is to the justification part of this thread. (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 12:28:06

Exactly - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:12:18

Or craft fantasies of Obama and Clinton conspiracies - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:02:33

FDR was a fascist and progressive? Whoa(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:05:20

he did have concentration camps(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:11:07

He did? I know they interned a few Japanese - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:16:57

I guess you did learn something - El-ahrairah BAMA - 12/7 10:29:14

Well if you don't see the difference, there isn't much hope - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:01:45

I see a fairly large difference - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:05:21

Yeah, that's not the difference that matters - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:06:04

What's the difference that matters? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:07:43

RE: What's the difference that matters? (nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 10:15:28

RE: What's the difference that matters? (nm) - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:21:06

It's possible for both to be terrible, you know that right - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:00:56

Yes, very possible. - ummmm MU - 12/7 10:04:56

1931: Japan invades Manchuria - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 09:57:09

They also committed war crimes via unit 731. - RHAYWORTH MU - 12/7 10:11:09

That's not why they were "nuked" (nm) - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:29:02

Japan was nuked to see how many civilians our - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/7 10:23:52

Straw man (nm) - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:01:08

So if I removed "Japan was innocent" - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:02:13

It would still be a straw man - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:04:48

That article you posted is full of conjecture - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:06:02

I don't believe you read the article (nm) - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:08:39

Absolutely I did - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:09:51

Also, we had not completely cracked Japan's codes in - MrBlueSky MU - 12/7 10:08:35

Hear, hear----but facts are lost on Pickle - mu7176grad MU - 12/7 09:59:25

None of that is relevant or has any bearing on the article - pickle MU

- 12/7 10:03:05

FDR made them do it(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU

- 12/7 09:58:36