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What red flags did hi-profile prospects see last time?

Posted on: November 2, 2018 at 08:36:05 CT
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Matt Campbell signed a contract with Iowa State before even interviewing with Missouri after his name was publicly listed as a leading candidate even before the Arkansas game. Other candidates declined to interview as well. What red flags did those coaches see?

- the protests were a huge red flag for a lockerroom culture problem. I'm not debating the issue itself but the reality is we had D1 P5 athletes more interested in politics than football. That's admirable for the Ivy League but not for D1 P5 programs and coaches with aspirations.
- we had a weak and unimpressive AD. Rhoades couldn't even get an interview with the guy he hired at his previous job. The word was out.
- a shaken fanbase, an alienated alumni population and disgruntled boosters. Three years of leadership by division, strife and intimidation under Wolfe and BowTie had split faculty, alumni and CoMo community support. The grumbling had spread to Jeff City and STL and KC.
- Finally, the overall talent level had dropped under Pinkel while character issues had risen. From DGB to Mauk to J'Drop S'Moore, it was obvious from the outside that players at MU weren't totally focused on the product on the field and that product was suffering in Pinkel's last 2 seasons despite the team somehow winning the East on smoke and mirrors in 2014.

Those were all red flags that warned off attractive candidates.

So now, three years later, after Odom looks to have fixed the culture problem while turning around the talent direction and largely eliminating the character distractions, all while improving the competitive level of the team, you're going to fire the Alum of the Program because he got the team to a bowl in Year 2 but didn't return the team to 9 or 10 wins in Year 3 in a season we played both UGA and Alabama?

And you don't think that will send red flags to the candidate pool?

The AD leadership problem has largely been solved, the state is slowly returning to the U in the form of students and alumni support, moral on campus is turning, the home-grown guy has turned the rudder and the program is at least reversed from its stall and decline, and you don't think firing that guy will raise flags?

The reality is the most fierce critics will be happy with nothing less than a proven D1 P5 Head Coach -- and guess what? You have that guy in the job right now and he's under 40 and in just his 3rd year as a Head Coach. Is he proven that he can win Championships at MU? No. Has that ever been done in the modern era? No.
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     RE: Matter had an interesting take on Coach Odom's future - tmb333 MU - 11/2 20:51:42
     Can we stop with the “paying him mid major money” BS? (nm) - the808bass MU - 11/2 20:46:39
     There is NO chance that Coach Odom will get fired if he goes - go tigers MU - 11/2 14:09:07
     RE: Matter had an interesting take on Coach Odom's future - Bobber MU - 11/2 11:13:30
     10000 more folks in the stands each game pays for overpaying - catbirdseat MU - 11/2 10:52:41
     It all comes down to what happens in the next 4 games - StlOx MU - 11/2 10:46:26
          Agreed. (nm) - go tigers MU - 11/2 14:10:00
     We overpaid Cuonzo. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 11/2 10:19:53
          i think part of paying for him was he was bringing a couple - philobeddoe MU - 11/2 11:47:38
     What Matter assumes is exactly why he is wrong - BurgTiger MU - 11/2 10:04:03
          Assuming that BO in his 3rd year as a HC - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/2 10:28:24
               The fact that you're right is EXACTLY - o'lineydisciple MU - 11/2 13:14:31
               If he gets 7 wins, they can argue that but for 2 crazy - Mormad MU - 11/2 10:34:14
          hopefully Sterk can hire another gem like Paul Wulff(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 10:05:39
     It's like I said, MU is happy with middle of the road FB, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 11/2 09:44:28
          Middle of the road is punching above our weight - Gary P. MU - 11/5 05:29:43
          Odom not done with year 3 and people say all he will ever do - Catfish MU - 11/2 09:58:31
               Well to be perfectly honest I thought the GP hire was the MU - MU-TULSA MU - 11/2 10:19:45
                    Saban suggested Pinkel for Toledo... you just read too - North co-co champs MU - 11/2 14:06:31
                         Dont know, but this is from GP himself and it doesnt sound - MU-TULSA MU - 11/2 15:13:46
                    it says nothing, other than Saban trying to crack a joke - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 10:22:38
          most MU fans are fine with it - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 09:45:48
               Incorrect... the fans expectations match the Universities - North co-co champs MU - 11/2 10:18:03
     Except Florida did just that, BUT to a coach that won - Diamond Dave MU - 11/2 09:39:11
          Shark-humper wasnt fired because of on-field results. - Gary P. MU - 11/5 05:38:13
     Simply put, if Odom wins 7 games, he ain't getting fired(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 11/2 09:21:33
     The defeatist attitudes from our administrators, coaches, - Fourth and Long MU - 11/2 09:18:03
          if that is what is keeping fans from attending games - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 09:44:57
               Losses and player walk outs killed off some of that. - jake_mu MU - 11/2 12:14:24
     Stupid. We have to over pay regardless unless we - SuperTone MU - 11/2 09:12:25
     This is glass half empty defeatist BS, let's see what are - tigertix MU - 11/2 09:11:56
     Any rational fans want Odom to succeed - Tigerfish MU - 11/2 08:54:54
     He is right - mizzoutiger96 MU - 11/2 08:51:20
     RE: He’s right(nm) - Jmill88 MU - 11/2 08:46:39
          RE: He’s right - Jmill88 MU - 11/2 09:00:05
          yes, but people don't want the truth - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:50:26
     Who is matter and what does it matter what that person - ozland LSU - 11/2 08:36:17
          Mizzou beat writer for the STL Post-Dispatch - doughboy MU - 11/2 08:41:18
               She has certainly riled everyone up with that remark. - ozland LSU - 11/2 08:45:52
                    Yes ma’am. Pretty much true. - STLTIGER MU - 11/2 09:42:46
                    "ridiculed nationally" is overstated - gmmm98 MU - 11/2 08:47:53
     What red flags did hi-profile prospects see last time? - GapDaddy MU - 11/2 08:36:05
          RE: What red flags did hi-profile prospects see last time? - CPA MU - 11/2 09:19:34
               if Sterk already has his guy ID'd and confirmed.... - GapDaddy MU - 11/2 10:22:56
                    RE: if Sterk already has his guy ID'd and confirmed.... - CPA MU - 11/2 11:19:29
               Look at the SEC hires a year ago, we really need to win at - Catfish MU - 11/2 09:45:05
                    RE: Look at the SEC hires a year ago, we really need to win at - CPA MU - 11/2 10:12:33
                         Not saying they were good or bad hires, just that none - Catfish MU - 11/2 11:11:33
          most people don't care about the big picture - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:38:39
               RE: most people don't care about the big picture - CPA MU - 11/2 09:21:06
                    the poor financial support and lackluster attendance - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 09:39:52
                         RE: the poor financial support and lackluster attendance - CPA MU - 11/2 09:51:50
                              Come'on with the 4 billionaires line.... - GapDaddy MU - 11/2 10:26:10
                                   RE: Come'on with the 4 billionaires line.... - CPA MU - 11/2 14:37:33
                                   RE: Come'on with the 4 billionaires line.... - CPA MU - 11/2 10:38:41
                                        RE: **** the Kroenkes. I don't want their money (nm) - Stewart SLU - 11/2 13:05:40
                                             RE: **** the Kroenkes. I don't want their money (nm) - CPA MU - 11/2 14:39:51
                                   but if we hired Matt Campbell they'd just give blank checks! - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 10:28:54
                                        RE: but if we hired Matt Campbell they'd just give blank checks! - CPA MU - 11/2 14:38:07
                              so Missouri has been overall middle of the road for decades - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 09:58:14
                                   RE: so Missouri has been overall middle of the road for decades - CPA MU - 11/2 10:13:27
     When did Odom have consecutive 7-win seasons? - Fourth and Long MU - 11/2 08:34:32
          he's speaking hypothetically - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:36:59
               The quote didn't imply that it was hypothetical (nm) - Fourth and Long MU - 11/2 08:54:06
     That's assuming he wins 7 games this year? nm - Tiger Tim MU - 11/2 08:34:26
     RE: Matter had an interesting take on Coach Odom's future - None**** MU - 11/2 08:30:40
     Fair comment; but to me it's still a big business - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:07:36
          it's a business where the success is handcuffed by - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:11:04
               RE: it's a business where the success is handcuffed by - CPA MU - 11/2 09:25:53
               We lost both USCe and UK from variables absolutely within - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:21:30
                    so a football game with over 200 plays in it - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:27:20
                         Yes. It absolutely does - TigerMook MU - 11/2 08:45:15
                              ok(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:48:14
                         My brothers Larry, Darryl and Darryl take me seriously - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:32:44
                    RE: We lost both USCe and UK from variables absolutely within - sarasotatiger MU - 11/2 08:24:44
                         Boy, are you dumb. I was on this site more than ten years - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:26:09
                              RE: Boy, are you dumb. I was on this site more than ten years - sarasotatiger MU - 11/2 08:35:05
     RE: Matter had an interesting take on Coach Odom's future - bstiger MU - 11/2 08:04:54
          Matter: MU would be criticized for firing a coach that - North co-co champs MU - 11/2 08:14:48
               Hard to argue. Don't think I'll try (nm) - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:22:22
               Was meant for Fire Breathing Bill below * - North co-co champs MU - 11/2 08:15:47
          Wait a minute. What about my bobblehead? - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:08:42
          RE: Matter had an interesting take on Coach Odom's future - sarasotatiger MU - 11/2 08:08:38
               Would be great and make up for the USCe or UK failures - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:20:25
     All kinds of loser mentality in that quote.... speaks to - North co-co champs MU - 11/2 08:02:43
          My thoughts as well. He almost advocated for continuing to - jrmtiger MU - 11/2 10:13:16
          Matter has never had a favorable view of Mizzou(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/2 09:13:49
          RE: All kinds of loser mentality in that quote.... speaks to - Jmill88 MU - 11/2 08:54:32
          you continue to show that you are an unintelligent human - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:10:27
               They said the same thing about you when you were - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:23:22
                    huh?(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:28:05
                         My mistake. Confused your posting with - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:39:28
                              I confuse him with FACTS, Omar Groshoni, and Sam Winters - Emoji Man MSU - 11/2 08:45:27
               Matter: MU would be criticized for firing a coach that - North co-co champs MU - 11/2 08:15:38
                    you're incapable of seeing things in a rational manner - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:18:43
                         Your inability to even pretend to debate it is winner for me - North co-co champs MU - 11/2 08:30:09
                              nah man - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:33:24
                                   Name calling is below your intellect though - samclemens MU - 11/2 08:34:25
                                        that's very kind of you, Sam - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 08:47:31
                                             Glad to see you taking the high road, Sam. - Emoji Man MSU - 11/2 08:53:55
                                                  Wouldn't surprise me if this team rally'd around their - samclemens MU - 11/2 09:25:51
                                                       I think we'll play hard - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 11/2 09:42:08




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