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Posted on: January 21, 2018 at 18:19:28 CT
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First of all, abortions for rape are a minuscule percentage of the abortions performed. Secondly, most women who have become pregnant because of a rape do not want to kill their child. Thirdly, the women who opt to have the child in cases of rape are universally happy that they did so, whereas the few who do go on to abort their children are often very depressed that they did so even years after the fact.

There is a principle in the law that hard cases make bad law. The laws should not be written for the unusual, difficult cases, but for the standard, typical cases.

In the case of abortion for rape, it turns out that abortion is not only the deliberate execution of an innocent human being, but it hurts the mother as well.

Women who have been raped can go to hospitals who will help them prevent conception. Even Catholic hospitals will use spermicides to prevent conception & will administer drugs to prevent ovulation after the woman has been tested to show that she is not already pregnant.

Rape, Incest and Abortion: Searching Beyond the Myths
http://afterabortion.org/2004/rape-incest-and-abortion-searching-beyond-the-myths-3/


For example, it is commonly assumed that rape victims who become pregnant would naturally want abortions. But in the only major study of pregnant rape victims ever done prior to this book, Dr. Sandra Mahkorn found that 75 to 85 percent did not have abortions. This figure is remarkably similar to the 73 percent birth rate found in our sample of 164 pregnant rape victims. This one finding alone should cause people to pause and reflect on the presumption that abortion is wanted or even best for sexual assault victims.[1]
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Many people assume that abortion will at least help a rape victim put the assault behind her and get on with her life. But evidence shows that abortion is not some magical surgery which turns back the clock to make a woman “un-pregnant.”

Instead, it is a real life event which is always very stressful and often traumatic. Once we accept that abortion is itself an event with deep ramifications for a woman’s life, then we must look carefully at the special circumstances of the pregnant sexual assault victim. Evidence indicates that abortion doesn’t help and only causes further injury to an already bruised psyche?

But before we even get to this issue, we must ask: do most women who become pregnant as a result of sexual assault want to abort?

In our survey of women who became pregnant as a result of rape or incest, many women who underwent abortions indicated that they felt pressured or were strongly directed by family members or health care workers to have abortions. The abortion came about not because of the woman’s desire to abort but as a response to the suggestions or demands of others. In many cases, resources such as health workers, counselors and others who are normally there to help women after sexual assault pushed for abortion. Family pressure, withholding of support and resources that the woman needed to continue the pregnancy, manipulative an inadequate counseling and other problems all played a role into pushing women into abortions, even though abortion was often not what the woman really wanted.

Further, in almost every case involving incest, it was the girl’s parents or the perpetrator who made the decision and arrangements for the abortion, not the girl herself. (See Accomplices in Incest for an example.) None of these women reported having any input into the decision. Each was simply expected to comply with the choice of others. In several cases, the abortion was carried out over the objections of the girl, who clearly told others that wanted to continue the pregnancy. In a few cases, victim was not even clearly aware that she was pregnant or that the abortion was being carried out.
“Medical Rape”

Second, although many people believe that abortion will help a woman resolve the trauma of rape more quickly, or at least keep her from being reminded of the rape throughout her pregnancy, many of the women in our survey who had abortions reported that abortion only added to and accentuated the traumatic feelings associated with sexual assault.

This is easy to understand when one considers that many women have described their abortions as being similar to a rape (and even used the term “medical rape), it is easy to see that abortion is likely to add a second trauma to the earlier trauma of sexual assault. Abortion involves an often painful intrusion into a woman’s sexual organs by a masked stranger who is invading her body. Once she is on the operating table, she loses control over her body. Even if she protests and asks the abortionist to stop, chances are she will be either ignored or told that it’s too late to stop the abortion.

For many women this experiential association between abortion and sexual assault is very strong. It is especially strong for women who have a prior history of sexual assault, whether or not the aborted child was conceived during an act of assault. This is just one reason why women with a history of sexual assault are likely to experience greater distress during and after an abortion than are other women.

Research also shows that women who abort and women who are raped often describe similar feelings of depression, guilt, lowered self-esteem, violation and resentment of men. Rather than easing the psychological burdens experienced by those who have been raped, abortion added to them. Jackie wrote:

I soon discovered that the aftermath of my abortion continued a long time after the memory of my rape had faded. I felt empty and horrible. Nobody told me about the pain I would feel deep within causing nightmares and deep depressions. They had all told me that after the abortion I could continue my life as if nothing had happened.[2]

Those encouraging, pushing or insisting on abortion often do so because they are uncomfortable dealing with sexual assault victims, or perhaps because they harbor some prejudice against victims whom they feel “let it happen.” Wiping out the pregnancy is a way of hiding the problem. It is a “quick and easy” way to avoid dealing with the woman’s true emotional, social and financial needs. As Kathleen wrote:

I, having lived through rape, and also having raised a child “conceived in rape,” feel personally assaulted and insulted every time I hear that abortion should be legal because of rape and incest. I feel that we’re being used by pro-abortionists to further the abortion issue, even though we’ve not been asked to tell our side of the story. ...
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                    So you picket abortuaries then? (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/21 17:46:58
                         I would never recommend someone have an abortion. - TigerMatt STL - 1/21 17:49:08
                              You seem to be personally against rape, are you consistent - JeffB MU - 1/21 17:54:41
                                   you will never understand rights, Jeff. never (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 18:07:48
                                        Your views are perverted pickle, & once again you demonstrat - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:20:56
                                             no, that's your ignorance and inabilities - pickle MU - 1/21 18:32:55
                                                  I thought you were going to ignore Jeff because he always - Emoji Man MSU - 1/21 19:01:28
                                                  Again, more dancing and dodging by the lying pickle. (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:37:12
                                                       whatever you need to tell yourself - pickle MU - 1/21 19:07:08
                                                            I fully realize that you have no shame. No biggie. (nm) - JeffB MU - 1/21 19:51:11
                                   This response is entirely nonsensical.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/21 17:58:31
                                        Baloney. You just don't want to face the nonsensical nature - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:23:59
                                             If your teenage daughter was raped by some criminal - TigerMatt STL - 1/21 18:31:02
                                                  Supporting her would not risk driving her to suicide, but - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:41:15
                              Agree - alzoo MU - 1/21 17:51:54
                                   Women don't usually make the decision to rape, should they - JeffB MU - 1/21 17:56:48
                                        I agreed with the post - alzoo MU - 1/21 18:06:32
                                             A vasectomy is not similar to the deliberate execution of - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:25:20
                                        You propose victimizing a woman twice. First the rape - TigerMatt STL - 1/21 18:01:41
                                             You are clueless about the facts and twisted in your - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:19:28
                                                  Forcing ONE rape victim to carry to term a child that is - TigerMatt STL - 1/21 18:24:35
                                                       Allowing the deliberate execution of more than 50 million - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:36:35
                                                            You have no respect for rights. - TigerMatt STL - 1/21 18:48:04
                                                                 he has no understanding of rights (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 19:06:38
                                                                      Please explain how deliberately ripping a living child - JeffB MU - 1/21 20:02:42
                                                                 You have no respect for rights, TigerMatt: - JeffB MU - 1/21 19:00:28
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                              Irony. You appear to care what I post on a discussion board, - JeffB MU - 1/21 17:52:59
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                                        You don't seem to be following very well, pickle. My post - JeffB MU - 1/21 18:50:42
                                             no, Jeff - pickle MU - 1/21 19:05:31
                                                  Sorry pickle, but you are wrong & are not explaining - JeffB MU - 1/21 20:27:14
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                                        lol (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 18:09:31
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          Nope. Just once that understand the sacrifices - tman KC - 1/21 17:43:55
               no sacrifices are or were made (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 17:52:01
                    You have never sacrificed anything & have zero - STL1DFW STL - 1/21 18:45:04
                         you don't know anything about me (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 19:06:06
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                    What. Who is censoring anything(nm) - tman KC - 1/21 17:48:35
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                                                  You brought race Into the discussion, which is typical - tman KC - 1/21 18:14:09
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                                                            He will go down in history. You also don't know - tman KC - 1/21 19:30:58
                                                                 Sure I do. He publicly stated his reasons. Try again(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 1/21 20:14:09
               Sacrifice to enrich bankers, merchants and politicians(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 1/21 17:44:34
                    What? I also probably should state - tman KC - 1/21 17:46:39




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