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No, but it absolute "can" and "does". You should come

Posted on: November 30, 2017 at 10:05:52 CT
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see the rates govt entities pay for IT contractors compared to the private sector.

It's astonishing what no profit motive/pressure does to a buyer of services.

Same people, same skills, same roles, vastly higher rates.

Gubmit has no fiscal pressure that is real.
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Pickle, who would call if your house was on fire? (nm) - Fourth and Long MU - 11/30 09:09:38
     firemen are a relic of the past - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/30 09:40:27
          no, not true at all. nm - justwinbaby KC - 11/30 10:22:08
          Buy a vowel, rabbit.... - Spanky KU - 11/30 10:12:46
          You really are stupid.... - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:43:09
               those folks live in an area of natural fires. and other - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:48:33
                    Do these people? - Spanky KU - 11/30 10:24:56
                         the responses were in the implied context of this post - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:29:10
                              I get that... but the OP is about house fires in general - Spanky KU - 11/30 10:33:15
                                   The OP isn't what was responded to which resulted in - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:36:41
                                        The subthread is this ' it’s damn near impossible to set - Spanky KU - 11/30 10:46:22
                                             They are idiots defending an idiot cause. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 11:18:07
                                                  Another Tigrrr personal friend story - pickle MU - 11/30 12:46:44
                                                  and how does this information imply that only - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 12:03:25
                                             ...in california only? - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 11:09:44
                                        according to the National Fire Protection agency, 69% of - justwinbaby KC - 11/30 10:41:38
                                             the argument is only gubmit can do fire protection, you're - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 11:08:22
                    and even worse - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/30 09:51:00
                         first role of govt - create demand. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:51:31
                    They should all move to pickletonia where unicorns - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:49:54
                         straw man. go play with your blocks, Tigrrr!, you're over y - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:51:02
                              meh. If you r solution is so simple and perfect, go sell it - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 10:06:18
                                   nobody is "selling" anything as "simple" nor "perfect". One - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:14:07
                                   straw man (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:13:21
                                   This is not an example of meaningful discussion from you - pickle MU - 11/30 10:10:08
                                        ALmost everyone engaging in discussion is - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 10:15:28
                                             what is this "picktopia argument" exactly? - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:19:10
                                                  pickletopia. Sorry for the typo. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 11:19:17
                                                       no, i'm not familiar with pickle mentioning any of that - - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 12:33:25
                                             Please state the "picktopia argument" - pickle MU - 11/30 10:17:38
               Those communities in California are akin - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:46:38
     A fire service (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:28:31
          Do you have a private fire service available? (nm) - Fourth and Long MU - 11/30 09:36:31
               I will neither confirm nor deny - pickle MU - 11/30 09:46:41
               If we eliminated all government fire services - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:37:30
                    at most, people pay $25 to $50 a year for - justwinbaby KC - 11/30 10:26:01
                    and pay them more to be successful - El-ahrairah BAMA - 11/30 09:53:24
                    And if the world was made of meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:41:41
                         Is this a pro-capitalism, pro-free market, limited gvmt - pickle MU - 11/30 10:07:39
                              so companies for a town with 3000 people, - justwinbaby KC - 11/30 10:29:36
                                   Nothing is supposed to be - pickle MU - 11/30 11:08:44
                         red herring. do better (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:49:03
                              Hard to do that when direct questions are asked - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 10:02:47
                                   you mean like the direct question Meat asked and you - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:03:51
                                        The answer is likely yes - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 10:09:18
                                             funny - the OP is a "what if" you simpleton (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:20:08
                                                  It was a direct question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 10:49:48
                                                       As opposed to your name calling? (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 11:09:25
                                                       it was a hypothetical, which is precisely a "what if" - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 11:02:38
                                                            It is possible to ask a direct what if question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 11:55:06
                                                                 yeah, and apparently you don't get it either (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 12:41:21
                                             Haven't you called for the elimination of dozens - meatiger MU - 11/30 10:11:27
               They've been crowded out by govt-provided or endorsed - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:37:15
     I am guessing one of his two main infuencers - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 11/30 09:25:47
     if there weren't a monopoly on fire services? whomever - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:20:25
     In his mind - Grasslands MU - 11/30 09:19:15
          The problem with a private fire firm, is unpaid neighbor. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/30 09:24:35
               The neighbor with fire services paid for calls his provider - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:27:07
               The paid neighbor calls the fire department to protect his - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:26:07
                    If they fail to fulfill their duties, you can actually sue - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:26:49
          Private contractors already exist (nm) - Sal KC - 11/30 09:24:09
          What is it about fire services that makes it such that - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:20:58
               Not sure many people believe that government is - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:28:54
                    Why don't you believe people think that? Read this thread, - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:38:24
                         To some extent I agree with them - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:44:14
                              laughable. "big mistrust of private businesses" - these - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:46:40
                                   RE: laughable. "big mistrust of private businesses" - these - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:48:01
                                        btw, do you now understand how hypocritical it is for them - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:50:36
                                             I completely get the hipocrisy - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:53:35
                                                  Yep, it comes back to "pet projects" (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:04:35
                                                       in this case, i don't think it's even that. it's more "trad - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:06:52
                                                            RE: in this case, i don't think it's even that. it's more "trad - meatiger MU - 11/30 10:12:28
                                                                 It's not tradition but status quo and indoctrination - pickle MU - 11/30 10:15:56
                                                                      yup, exactly (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:21:58
                                                            Yeah, that too. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:10:03
                                        yeah, and you just attempted to judge 3 people in one - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:49:46
               Infrastructure. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:26:17
                    You act as if people and agencies won't cooperate - pickle MU - 11/30 09:31:22
                    How much does a shipping vessel cost? or an Oil Rig in the - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:29:13
                         What a stupid argument. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:33:17
                              lol, - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:39:25
                                   The checker at my local hardware story might get a - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:24:55
                                        that you have a local hardware store is unique and nice. - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:30:23
                              There it is. The Tigrrrr personal friend story - pickle MU - 11/30 09:37:42
                                   P*zz off. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:39:28
                                        Yes, I know you're anti-capitalism - pickle MU - 11/30 09:48:55
                                        those are private enterprises in competitive industries, lik - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:47:34
                    Oh, and until recently, Overland Park Fire Dept was a - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:28:01
                         Exclusive services contracts with monopoly municipalities - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:29:03
                    Oh, so only government can afford capital goods. Ever - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:28:00
                         They cost that much - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:30:38
                              And they last a long time, so it's a long term investment.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:33:56
                                   It is a capital expense - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:36:50
                                        Yes. A capital expense. For the long term. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:40:55
                                             It is still not an "investment" - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:46:46
                                                  RE: It is still not an "investment" - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:52:18
                                                  Didn't I just agree it's a capital expense. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:48:44
                                   It's not an investment (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:36:05
                              yeah, and there isn't any market pressure whatsoever, they - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:31:33
                                   Not true at all - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:34:47
                                        Monopolies at the point of purchase certainly can lead to - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:38:12
                                             Well.. - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:46:04
                                                  "competition is competitive" (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:59:16
                                                  I definitely don't doubt that there were competitive - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:55:08
                                                  you utterly missed his point - entirely (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 09:53:03
                                                       I got his point - meatiger MU - 11/30 09:55:18
                                                            No, but it absolute "can" and "does". You should come - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:05:52
                                                                 Government certainly has fiscal pressure - meatiger MU - 11/30 10:14:43
                                                                      nope, not remotely the same as private capital pressure. - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:31:02
                                             ???? - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:44:52
                                                  Awesome (nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:58:02
                                                  Monopolies and price distortions that come with them. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:55:42
                                                       There are no monopolies when it comes to buying - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 10:24:48
                                                            No one is talking monopoly of equipment production, Tigrrr - pickle MU - 11/30 11:11:49
                                                            of course there are - there is one buyer in any location (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/30 10:39:22
                                                            The monopoly exists at the point of purchase - ummmm MU - 11/30 10:38:04
                         Makes it a lot easier for a special fire district to afford - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:29:30
                              You are very limited in your thinking - pickle MU - 11/30 09:33:54
                                   Fine. Then go to your local govt and propose it. - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 09:38:13
                                        This is another example of your limited thinking(nm) - pickle MU - 11/30 09:48:00
                                             RE: This is another example of your limited thinking(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 11:07:31
                                                  I don't click those links - pickle MU - 11/30 11:12:34
                                                       Pity (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/30 11:23:55
                    Neither do jumbo jets. (nm) - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:27:25
               Tradition - ummmm MU - 11/30 09:23:08
     you mean his mom’s house? - Ferg STL - 11/30 09:13:58
     No one. Cardboard boxes burn pretty quickly. - RHAYWORTH MU - 11/30 09:13:57
     He has answered this question many times - Sal KC - 11/30 09:12:22
     He would start his own private fire department (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 11/30 09:10:11
          No, he would walk away. That fire has rights.(nm) - tcat UMKC - 11/30 09:10:58




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