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RE: Article by Tigrrrrr illustrates my point about gun control

Posted on: November 22, 2017 at 10:20:49 CT
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Federal law requires lengthy 5-, 7-, 10-, and 30-year mandatory minimum sentences for possessing, brandishing, or discharging a gun in the course of a drug trafficking crime or a crime of violence (18 U.S.C. § 924(c)). There are also mandatory minimum sentences of 25 years for each subsequent conviction. The law requires that these mandatory prison terms be served back-to-back (i.e., consecutively, not concurrently) with each other and with any other punishment the person receives for the underlying offense. This is known as “stacking,” and it can result in absurdly lengthy sentences (see the story of Weldon Angelos below, a nonviolent, small-time pot seller serving a 55-year mandatory minimum sentence). The § 924(c) law is also often applied to nonviolent gun owners who do not actually harm or injure anyone. Additionally, the law applies even to legally purchased and registered guns and rifles found in the person’s home, even if the guns were not present or used during the actual offense. All too often, a nonviolent or addicted drug offender selling drugs in their home can find themselves serving an extra five years in prison just because they also had a gun in the home — even if the gun was never used during a drug sale.

The Armed Career Criminal Act (ACCA, 18 U.S.C. § 924(e)) is another federal gun law that requires a 15-year mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who possesses a gun or ammunition and also has three prior convictions for drug trafficking or violent felonies. The mandatory minimum applies even if the prior convictions are very old, nonviolent, minor, resulted from a drug addiction, or resulted in no prison time. Currently, there is no safety valve for any federal gun crimes.
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     guns arent a problem moran, people are - Kazoo MU - 11/22 11:34:03
          LOL you make my point and call me a moran - JG A - 11/22 11:47:32
               tell me how a gun makes people do things - Kazoo MU - 11/22 12:13:23
                    Strawman nonsequitor from a moran - JG A - 11/22 15:18:15
          mandatory minimums benefit no one but the prison industry - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:44:07
               it's called chasing your tail and putting on a show for the - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:45:46
                    But it was already a criminal act in this instance. The issu - JeffB MU - 11/22 11:13:42
                    and a way to lock up the scary brown people(nm) - cnk ATL - 11/22 10:47:49
                         people of colour(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:50:28
                         more accurately scary poor people (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:48:54
                              you're likely correct - cnk ATL - 11/22 10:51:58
                                   without question (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:53:53
     RE: Article by Tigrrrrr illustrates my point about gun control - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:20:49
          Federal law probably wouldn't apply in this case, though. (nm) - JeffB MU - 11/22 10:36:36
               Here is the Missouri law - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:40:18
                    Thanks. Doesn't look as broad or as harsh as the federal law - JeffB MU - 11/22 10:51:21
                         Too light, parole almost certain - JG A - 11/22 10:58:13
          Those are not legitimate and no one is bound by them. nm. - MUTGR MU - 11/22 10:35:01
               Given the context of this thread is current law not - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:37:26
                    Quit dodging. nm. - MUTGR MU - 11/22 10:38:43
          Does crime of violence - JG A - 11/22 10:29:32
               I'm guessing they often use those as bargaining chips before - JeffB MU - 11/22 10:41:12
               so when do we start talking about your point about gun - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:31:00
                    Answer the question - JG A - 11/22 10:32:03
                         I'm still waiting for your answer - pickle MU - 11/22 10:59:53
                              Harsh penalties, no parole - JG A - 11/22 11:01:04
                                   Yeah, that has nothing to do with gun control (nm) - pickle MU - 11/22 11:19:17
                         RE: Answer the question - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:33:25
                              Read Section 4, dope - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:35:44
     Bail is $50,000 - Badird MU - 11/22 10:17:02
          Doesn’t that = $5,000 paid to the bail bondsman? - Spanky KU - 11/22 10:22:01
               RE: Doesn’t that = $5,000 paid to the bail bondsman? - mizzoumurfkc MU - 11/22 10:35:06
                    Last fool I bailed out it was 10% - JG A - 11/22 10:50:37
                         It all depends on how the bond is set up - mizzoumurfkc MU - 11/22 11:19:14
                         Are you getting a quantity discount? (nm) - JeffB MU - 11/22 10:52:31
                    That’s does not seem to be correct - Spanky KU - 11/22 10:48:58
                         I'm familiar with Missouri and Kansas mostly - mizzoumurfkc MU - 11/22 11:21:33
                              Lucky for the perp, his crime was in Maryland - Spanky KU - 11/22 12:07:18
               according to the article it's cash only, doesn't state - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:26:28
                    Missouri Bail Bond Law (doesn't address bondsmen paying - JeffB MU - 11/22 11:51:06
                    That implies the bondsman (or anyone) has to fork - Spanky KU - 11/22 10:51:29
                         No in Missouri cash only means cash only - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:58:05
                              Attorneys disagree: Can a bail bondsman pay a cash only bond - JeffB MU - 11/22 11:35:05
                                   Correct, but the bondsman wouldn't be able to - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 11:37:07
                                        nm - Spanky KU - 11/22 11:56:22
                                        Correct. But if I was a bondsman, I think there would be - JeffB MU - 11/22 11:39:51
                                             Max a bondsman can charge in Maryland is 10% - Spanky KU - 11/22 13:11:24
                                                  But this happened in Maryland Heights, a St. Louis suburb - JeffB MU - 11/22 23:00:55
                              Read my post again and see where we disagree - Spanky KU - 11/22 11:18:56
                              But couldn't the bondsman put up the cash as collateral & - JeffB MU - 11/22 11:08:29
                                   they would have to pay the full 50k in cash - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 11:15:10
                                        But there's no law against it, right? Per Spanky's link - JeffB MU - 11/22 11:22:10
                                        Thats kinda what I said...there is NO prohibition from - Spanky KU - 11/22 11:18:00
                                             I gotcha, there wouldn't be any prohibition from the judge - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 11:22:33
               yup - JG A - 11/22 10:24:34
                    lol(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:27:11
                         he "dunno" again (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:29:29
                              but he always knows what he is talking about(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:34:26
     There are additional penalties for using a gun in the - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 11/22 10:01:08
          he "dunno" (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:17:40
               They are not enough - JG A - 11/22 10:25:16
                    OR, they are ineffective. Apply your logic to psych drugs. - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:41:18
     What is your point about gun control? (nm) - pickle MU - 11/22 09:53:50
          Proper gun control is all about - Tigrrrr! MU - 11/22 10:09:36
          I mentioned it again in the above post - JG A - 11/22 09:56:30
               That isn't an example of gun control - pickle MU - 11/22 10:03:02
                    Thats the way to do effective gun control - JG A - 11/22 10:06:11
                         and since you have no idea what current penalties are, - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:10:56
                         I agree gun control is a problem. - pickle MU - 11/22 10:09:45
                    No kidding. has nothing to do with controlling guns (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:03:36
               What are the current penalties for use of a gun in a crim - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 09:57:37
                    dunno but not enough - JG A - 11/22 10:00:29
                         you don't know what the current penalties are but - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:03:09
                              UNlike you I always know what I'm talking about - JG A - 11/22 10:05:09
                                   "dunno" is your version of knowing exactly what you're talki - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:06:40
                                        getter done - JG A - 11/22 10:23:53
                                             RE: getter done - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 10:29:52
                                                  My original point includes no possiblility of parole - JG A - 11/22 10:49:04
     I missed it, what's "your point about gun control"? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 09:52:52
          seek medical help. Oh wait they can't fix stupid - JG A - 11/22 09:53:42
               what is your point about gun control? state it (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 11/22 09:56:14
               Explains your posts(nm) - tman KC - 11/22 09:55:12
                    Cuddle tightly with 90 Tiger, hes about your speed - JG A - 11/22 09:57:08
                         And above your speed(nm) - tman KC - 11/22 10:06:06
                              hahahahhaha - JG A - 11/22 10:24:08




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