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people have rights, nations don't. this is

Posted on: August 23, 2017 at 13:56:49 CT
90Tiger STL
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a conversation about the NAP and rights.

You appeared to be discussing nations, so I'm trying to make sure we're having the same conversation.

If I say, right now in this forum "i'm going to kill you", do you think you then have a right to come kill me first to prevent me from doing so?

is this your position?

if not, can you clarify?
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Libertarianism - pickle MU - 8/23 13:04:52
     IOW, a person struck blind, and some are almost overnight, - GA Tiger MU - 8/23 14:24:14
          You did it - pickle MU - 8/23 15:13:35
               Family, friends, charity, insurance, etc all disappear - TigerMatt MU - 8/23 16:27:16
          those are certainly other words (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 8/23 14:27:10
     What about instances of mass (thousands/millions) human - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:29:27
          your question isn't a question despite having a question - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:54:13
               Your answer is what was expected. No ability to answer, - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:57:24
                    What was your question? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:58:33
                         Ha! Too good....amazingly funny(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 14:05:05
                              what was your question? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 14:07:34
     Ok...F with me once and you get it twice as bad - MUGuy2004 STL - 8/23 13:25:01
          Are you referring to US interventionism - pickle MU - 8/23 13:26:26
               I'm referring to whover decides to pick a fight (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 8/23 13:27:40
                    Is there something that prevents you - pickle MU - 8/23 13:47:24
          when people F with you now, you just let them? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:25:33
               I'm not a libertarian, I tend to be proactive instead of - MUGuy2004 STL - 8/23 13:27:12
                    What do you mean by proactive? (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/23 13:36:28
                    so you support aggressing against others based on - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:28:54
                         If you see a bomb being built, and someone saying it's - MUGuy2004 STL - 8/23 13:29:47
                              If someone threatens you directly like that, you can - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:32:33
                                   Is the materializing of a threat a threat or is it only a - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:37:46
                                        no, if you threaten to kill me, it is an act of aggression. - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:46:18
                                             Ha! So dumb! Delineating between "nations" & "people" - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:54:38
                                                  That's all well and good, but what do you call that armless - Emoji Man MSU - 8/23 14:36:54
                                                  The most simple of concepts go right over - TigerMatt MU - 8/23 13:57:17
                                                       ^^The dumb gather hoping numbers will make them - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:59:41
                                                            vapid (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 14:10:11
                                                                 Yes you are! Without a shred of education or intelligence to - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 17:36:42
                                                                      vapid (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 19:23:47
                                                  people have rights, nations don't. this is - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:56:49
                                                       Nations make up people. Some of the people of Idiots... - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 14:02:05
                                                            "nations make up people" - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 14:09:22
                                                                 ^^More insane psychobabble based on a fantasy to - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 17:44:13
                                                                      vapid (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 19:24:04
                              All of this is moot, if people live and let live. I'd love - MUGuy2004 STL - 8/23 13:30:59
     Yes but you yourself don't believe in: - JG A - 8/23 13:15:42
          Seems weird that one person can tell another person - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 8/23 13:22:23
               Cause I can understand what I read - JG A - 8/23 13:25:13
          of course he does. make your case that he doesn't. - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:18:33
               He believes people have the right to pollute - JG A - 8/23 13:23:13
                    There is no such thing as "the right to pollute" (nm) - pickle MU - 8/23 13:31:25
                         EXACTLY - JG A - 8/23 13:35:26
                              "He believes people have the right to pollute" - JG (nm) - pickle MU - 8/23 13:38:42
                                   EXACTLY AGAIN - JG A - 8/23 13:39:37
                                        No, you built a nice strawman.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 8/23 13:52:53
                                             Nope , nailed it as I do - JG A - 8/23 13:57:22
                                                  Sure, but pickle doesn't believe you can dump toxic - TigerMatt MU - 8/23 14:17:06
                                                       He says he doesn't but in essence he does - JG A - 8/23 14:20:17
                                                            no, he doesn't (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 14:41:05
                    no, he doesn't believe in a "right to pollute", that's - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:27:54
                         His dishonesty and psychoses are tired - pickle MU - 8/23 13:32:33
                              LOL PIckleiny - JG A - 8/23 13:36:36
                              yes (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:32:49
                         Yes he does as he has proven on numerous occassions - JG A - 8/23 13:29:27
                              no, Jg. you think govt has property rights, pickle does not - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:30:54
                                   What Property Rights can an individual create & what if - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:42:15
                                        are you advancing to dispute resolution or law enforcment - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:49:45
                                             Lol, as already known. You are so lost, but at least your - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 14:03:52
                                                  vapid (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 14:09:57
                                                       ^^What the feebleminded have to try & tell themselves... - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 17:47:09
                                   Sure you're entitled to your delusions - JG A - 8/23 13:38:36
                                        my delusion? I shared his direct quote (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:54:52
                                             You don't agree - JG A - 8/23 14:01:01
     Question, wouldnt liable or slander be considered fraud - hefeweizen MU - 8/23 13:12:54
          no, you don't take the property of someone if you libel - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:15:55
               Lol! What the ignorant have to feed themselves to - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:39:00
               That explains your eagerness to lie - JG A - 8/23 13:17:56
          That's an excellent question - pickle MU - 8/23 13:15:18
               Lol! Your stupidity has no bounds!(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:24:46
                    RE: Lol! Your stupidity has no bounds!(nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:29:33
                         RE: Lol! Your stupidity has no bounds!(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:39:59
               what if said slander kept a person from getting a job - hefeweizen MU - 8/23 13:22:35
                    The job belongs to the employer, not the employee - pickle MU - 8/23 13:27:32
                         Lol, you just make crap up on the run. How did the - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:34:00
                         ok, that makes sense. So there are just sh*t sandwiches - hefeweizen MU - 8/23 13:31:01
                              yes, but that's no different than today, really. Who are - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:34:02
                              I wouldn't put it like that, but yes (nm) - pickle MU - 8/23 13:33:44
                                   "Yes, I agree with what you put but wouldn't put it that - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:44:17
                    That would imply that said person had a property right - ummmm MU - 8/23 13:26:42
                    A lawsuit could be filed and fought out in court - Gaseous Clay MU - 8/23 13:25:32
                         but, according to what pickle just said, defamation isnt - hefeweizen MU - 8/23 13:28:13
                              It isn't. No one is going to be jailed for defamation. - Gaseous Clay MU - 8/23 13:30:16
                                   Criminal Defamation exists. States have Criminal Defamation - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 13:49:08
                                        I'm referring to hypothetical libertarian society(nm) - Gaseous Clay MU - 8/23 13:52:07
                                             Alright(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 8/23 14:04:29
                                   Good question. I shall await the answer(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/23 13:31:39
                                        RE: Good question. I shall await the answer(nm) - Gaseous Clay MU - 8/23 13:42:21
     Oh, you mean in the world that doesn't exist - raskolnikov MU - 8/23 13:11:49
          Huh? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/23 13:16:13
          those things don't exist in this world? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:14:45
     Really controversial stuff there (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/23 13:07:51
          I can see why 615 is so angry about it and wants to g - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:09:10
               Do you plan to justify your charge of liar, below? nm - hokie VT - 8/23 13:11:59
                    Sure. You don't have a libertarian streak and you - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:14:09
                         As with JG, someone who disagrees with you is a - hokie VT - 8/23 13:17:21
                              Pay attention lying POS - JG A - 8/23 13:27:29
                                   I figured you would see my post as an opening to further - hokie VT - 8/23 13:29:50
                                        LOL thats really the best part - JG A - 8/23 13:37:23
                              Couldn't care less about your motives, real or imagined - pickle MU - 8/23 13:19:27
                              No, hokie, you have a full posting history as evidence - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:19:05
                                   Well of course. You know me better than i do. And if i - hokie VT - 8/23 13:20:10
                                        I'm not claiming to "know you". I'm basing my assessment an - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:21:21
                                             And your basis is your own filter and biases. Seriously, - hokie VT - 8/23 13:27:49
                                                  because "you" to me, is your identity here, that's why (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 13:34:51
                                                       Aaha. What? nm - hokie VT - 8/23 13:46:37
                                                            everything i say about "you" is the "you" presented to me - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 14:00:28
                                                                 But your charge of LIAR is not limited to your opinion - hokie VT - 8/23 14:06:32
                                                                      You lied and you are a liar - pickle MU - 8/23 15:21:57
                                                                      i wouldn't hold my breath, hokie , and grow up. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/23 14:10:53
                                                                           I wasn't planning to await a grown up acknowledgement. I - hokie VT - 8/23 14:16:16
               He's a "social contract" guy - pickle MU - 8/23 13:11:06




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