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I would never expect to eliminate all deaths in interactions

Posted on: August 22, 2017 at 15:57:54 CT
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between people and security personnel (be it cops, private security or whatever).

However, under the current public policing system in the United States, there are far too many proactive policing interactions, due to the enormous amounts of cite-able offenses, and many of these interactions are high stakes because the person being temporarily detained is committing some sort of non-violent "offense" due to his possession of something deemed "contraband".

I want those interactions to be eliminated, and I want police officers to serve as peace officers, not police officers. People's hearts shouldn't start beating faster when a police car is in their rear view mirror. And they shouldn't fear years of imprisonment when they are pulled over for a broken tail light.
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Individual Facts Matter! - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 15:20:46
     "have to put up with" (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 15:39:03
          Does that scare you? (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 8/22 15:45:37
     What is an example of an individual fact? (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/22 15:33:52
          A person shooting at a cop being killed. - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 15:41:20
               "wrongful shooting" - pickle MU - 8/22 16:08:51
               Okay, so for example, this is definitely not an individual - ummmm MU - 8/22 15:42:40
                    Cops get to shot bad guys when they present a lethal danger - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 15:46:33
                         So, would you agree that this is not an example of an - ummmm MU - 8/22 15:48:56
                              What I am saying is that your tunnel vision is misguided. - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 15:54:41
                                   I am troubled by all murders. - ummmm MU - 8/22 15:58:33
                                        When I see you spending a proportionally balanced amount of - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 16:04:25
                                             You should read the board more, if you don't think I talk - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:07:36
                                                  RE: You should read the board more, if you don't think I talk - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 16:10:53
                                                       You won't listen to my opinions on state agents killing - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:14:36
                                                            The Fairness Doctrine (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 16:30:59
                                                            I won't respect agenda pushing at the expense of - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 16:24:05
                                                                 You have a general problem/dilemma in mind, but you aren't - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:52:43
                                                                 Is this a god/Satan reference? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 16:31:45
                                                       In exact proportions? That is an absurd standard for many - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:12:23
                                                            RE: In exact proportions? That is an absurd standard for many - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 16:20:46
                                                                 It's right here: - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:51:17
                                             cops are agents of the state. non-agents killing non-agents - 90Tiger MU - 8/22 16:07:25
          OT Humans have been killing each other for many many - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 15:36:17
               Okay. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/22 15:41:41
                    The debate seems to be a waste - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 15:43:26
                         I don't believe I've ever stated that I think killings - ummmm MU - 8/22 15:49:44
                              Sort of what I am getting at.. - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 15:51:15
                                   I would never expect to eliminate all deaths in interactions - ummmm MU - 8/22 15:57:54
                                        Do you fear years of imprisonment for being pulled over - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:01:07
                                             Or death. - Evenflow MU - 8/22 16:05:51
                                                  They have gotten that sinister?(nm) - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:10:27
                                                       Check your premise - pickle MU - 8/22 16:19:20
                                                            Because humans are sinister?(nm) - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:22:03
                                                                 No (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 16:32:04
                                                                      But we put these leaders in power - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:33:35
                                                                           Your premises are all wrong - pickle MU - 8/22 16:41:34
                                                                                We have given them consent though - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:42:48
                                                                                     That is incorrect. There is no consent (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 16:51:37
                                             Not personally, no. - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:05:32
                                                  Yeah I can see that. You are wise not to carry carrying - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:09:05
                                                       RE: Yeah I can see that. You are wise not to carry carrying - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:13:06
                                                            RE: Yeah I can see that. You are wise not to carry carrying - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:14:39
                                                                 Doubtful (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 16:17:58
                                                                 I doubt it. The war on drugs has had little positive effect - ummmm MU - 8/22 16:16:08
               Humans have been cooperating with each other for many many - pickle MU - 8/22 15:40:31
                    Do you think the dominant driver - mizzouSECedes STL - 8/22 15:48:10
                    It's a Christian value (nm) - MUGuy2004 STL - 8/22 15:47:39
                         Ok. Irrelevant, but ok (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 16:14:38
                         It's a human value which christians, and hundreds if not - 90Tiger MU - 8/22 15:49:27
                              Does God exist? - MizzouTigerz MU - 8/22 16:49:08
                                   That's incorrect. Morality can and does exist without a god - pickle MU - 8/22 17:20:34
                    Mr. Optimistic (nm) - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 15:41:10
                         the cooperation and good nature of humans to one another - 90Tiger MU - 8/22 15:48:13
                              Do you think cops are doing their best? - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 15:55:00
                                   Cops are the State's thugs. - pickle MU - 8/22 16:10:41
                                        Akin to the KGB, Brown Coats, etc? - DevilsAdvocate MU - 8/22 16:13:06
                                             Yes, and exactly the same everywhere (nm) - pickle MU - 8/22 16:15:27
                                   cops are individuals, so I don't have any idea. I - 90Tiger MU - 8/22 15:56:58




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