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RE: Illegals didn't follow due process to get into the

Posted on: April 26, 2025 at 09:13:32 CT
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The Constitution and long-standing American legal tradition guarantee due process to all persons on U.S. soil — citizens and non-citizens alike — not just to those who entered legally. This is explicitly upheld by the 5th Amendment and confirmed by Supreme Court rulings for over a century.

Fact 1: Due Process Applies to "All Persons," Not Just Citizens.
The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution states:

"No person shall...be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

Not "no citizen" — no person.
This was affirmed in Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886) where the Supreme Court said:

"The guarantees of the Constitution are not confined to the citizen. They cover all within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, color or nationality."
(Source: Cornell Law - Yick Wo v. Hopkins)

Fact 2: Previous Presidents Deported Millions — But Still Followed Due Process.
Yes, millions were deported, but through legal processes — court orders, hearings, appeals. Examples:

Obama Administration (2009–2016):
3 million deportations, but 60% involved immigration court rulings or voluntary returns.
Source: DHS Immigration Enforcement Report 2016

Bush Administration (2001–2009):
About 2 million deportations, again using formal removal proceedings, especially post-9/11 under heightened security protocols.
Source: Migration Policy Institute - Immigration Enforcement

Clinton Administration (1993–2001):
➔ Massive increase in removals after 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, but still emphasized immigration court proceedings.
➔ Source: American Immigration Council - 1996 Law Effects

Important: Even expedited removals (used heavily post-1996) allow limited hearings, credible fear interviews (asylum claims), and judicial oversight.
➔ DHS officers can remove people caught near borders, but beyond a certain point inside the U.S., you must use courts per law.
➔ Source: Congressional Research Service - Expedited Removal

Fact 3: Why So Many Court Injunctions Against Biden?
Many recent injunctions against Biden are not because he is ignoring deportations but because federal courts (especially in red states) are actively challenging executive policies — including cases on DACA, Title 42 repeal, parole programs, and processing rules.

Example:

Texas sued over new asylum rules (leading to an injunction) — but this lawsuit wasn't about deporting people faster, it was about how asylum seekers were processed.
➔ Source: Texas Tribune - Texas Lawsuit Biden Immigration

Example:

Title 42 (public health expulsions) had conflicting court rulings — Biden was sometimes forced to keep it longer than he wanted.
➔ Source: NBC News - Title 42 Court Rulings

Thus, it is not that Biden refuses to deport — it’s that immigration law itself is incredibly complex, and courts actively constrain and define how the Executive Branch can act.

Fact 4: NGO Workers and Judges Are Following the Law, Not Breaking It.

Nonprofits (NGOs) assisting immigrants operate under lawful protections of First Amendment rights to counsel, association, and petition for grievances.

Judges issuing injunctions are applying statutory authority under Article III of the Constitution (judicial branch independence).

Calling for "arresting judges" or "J6-style" crackdowns on NGO workers would itself be unconstitutional authoritarianism, not "rule of law."

Summary:

Due process IS required — even for undocumented persons.

Past presidents deported millions, but through courts and hearings.

Current injunctions against Biden mostly involve procedural disputes, not outright refusal to enforce immigration law.

Constitutional protections apply to all persons, and respecting court orders is fundamental to real American values.

This is the American way — not vigilante justice.

🇺🇸 Ronald Reagan (1981)
"We must enforce our laws against illegal immigration in a firm and fair manner. The laws should be enforced with respect for due process, for individual rights, and for humane consideration."
— Ronald Reagan, Statement on Immigration and Refugee Policy, July 30, 1981
Source: Reagan Library

Reagan consistently tied immigration enforcement to respect for due process and humane treatment.

🇺🇸 George W. Bush (2006)
"We must ensure that every illegal immigrant gets a fair hearing and that every asylum applicant has their claim considered thoroughly and expeditiously."
— George W. Bush, Speech on Comprehensive Immigration Reform, May 15, 2006
Source: George W. Bush White House Archives

Bush emphasized that fair hearings and thorough asylum reviews are part of American values — even for undocumented individuals.
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Illegals didn't follow due process to get into the - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 08:54:59
     RE: Illegals didn't follow due process to get into the - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:13:32
          I for one remember each of the 3 million individual jury - hokie VT - 4/26 09:24:46
               RE: I for one remember each of the 3 million individual jury - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:32:37
               A habeas petition doesn’t mean a jury trial dummy. It’s a - TigerMatt STL - 4/26 09:26:12
                    Can we assume that there is no appeal process after a - hokie VT - 4/26 10:11:11
                         I don’t give a crap about the Maryland guy, I care about - TigerMatt STL - 4/26 10:28:24
                              You're so noble and righteous. And phony. nm - hokie VT - 4/26 11:49:35
          China, Ukraine, Palestine, Scotland. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:21:57
     Your last paragraph is the perfect summary.....POTD...nm - tigertix MU - 4/26 09:07:32
     What about those who arrive on visas and then violate the - TigerMatt STL - 4/26 08:58:44
          Joe's 10M didn't arrive on visas - mu7176grad MU - 4/26 09:05:40
               So they come here for free stuff? (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 4/26 09:15:39
                    Certainly get it in NYC, Chi, Den, Bos etc - mu7176grad MU - 4/26 09:20:08
          No - Spanky KU - 4/26 09:04:12
               Right, but TigerIdiot has some clever one-off case he's - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:10:06
          PHUCK OFF! All you ever have is red herring BS - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:00:37
               Such a good counter argument. Just like most of the - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:04:56
                    You think those millions previously deported all had their - Tigrrrr! MU - 4/26 09:08:22
                         Actually, yes — the overwhelming majority of deportations - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:15:45
                              Only those deported were not AIDED AND ASSISTED by - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:19:42
                                   First: - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:22:35
                                        You're a Democrat death cult member - the 'Rule of Law' - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:25:00
                                             RE: You're a Democrat death cult member - the 'Rule of Law' - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:26:19
                                                  You don't get to redeifine the Rule of Law because you're - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:27:25
                                                       RE: You don't get to redeifine the Rule of Law because you're - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:31:08
                                                            Illegals don't live in America - they enemy invaders - this - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:32:48
                                                                 RE: Illegals don't live in America - they enemy invaders - this - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:34:44
                                                                      PHUCK OFF! I don't dislike illegals They are criminals - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:39:03
                                                                           RE: PHUCK OFF! I don't dislike illegals They are criminals - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:40:11
                                                                                There's nothing wrong with anger Mr. Spock. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:41:41
                                                                                     RE: There's nothing wrong with anger Mr. Spock. - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:43:33
                                                                                          You poor little thing - have to keep posting because - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:46:38
                                                                                               RE: You poor little thing - have to keep posting because - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:49:28
                                                                                                    Again - you have to attack the emotion because you - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:50:45
                                                                                                         RE: Again - you have to attack the emotion because you - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:51:58
                                                                                                              Both emotion and reason are present in a perfect balance - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 10:01:36
                                                                                                                   RE: Both emotion and reason are present in a perfect balance - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 10:03:25
                                                                                                                        I'm not abandoning anything. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 10:06:53
                                                                                                                             RE: I'm not abandoning anything. - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 10:12:50
                                                                                                                                  Sorry - you lose. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 11:00:23
                    There is no counter argument to the brainwashed dogs of the - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:07:24
                         RE: There is no counter argument to the brainwashed dogs of the - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:19:51
                              Who cares? You're gaming the system. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:21:11
                                   RE: Who cares? You're gaming the system. - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:24:07
                                        Your here to discuss selective facts that keep your - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:26:19
                                             Oh Ray. You're really letting your ignorance show - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:28:13
                                                  You're using legalese to empower EVIL. - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:31:34
                                                       RE: You're using legalese to empower EVIL. - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:33:43
                                                            It's not due process - it's the the illegal use of - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:36:15
                                                                 RE: It's not due process - it's the the illegal use of - Tiger_Claw STL - 4/26 09:37:20
                                                                      You stand with Satan.(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 4/26 09:39:15




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