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UK military too 'run down' to lead Ukraine peace mission

Posted on: March 3, 2025 at 11:32:03 CT
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UK's Prime Minister Starmer & France's Macron will come groveling to Trump in short order to have US troops bleed for Ukraine in addition to the bloodbath US taxpayers are already taking.....

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czep44jn9jyo

The UK military is "so run down" it could not lead any future peacekeeping mission in Ukraine, the former head of the Army has said.

Lord Dannatt told the BBC that up to 40,000 UK troops would be needed for such a mission and "we just haven't got that number available".

It comes after Sir Keir Starmer said the UK would "play its part" in guaranteeing Ukraine's security after the prime minister was asked this week if he was open to sending British troops as peacekeepers.

A former Nato chief told the BBC that Britain and France should lead a force of up to 100,000 troops as part of a long-term peacekeeping effort should Russia's war with Ukraine end.

US President Donald Trump earlier this week announced he had had a lengthy conversation with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, and that negotiations to stop the "ridiculous war" in Ukraine would begin "immediately".

Trump then "informed" Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, of his plan.

Lord Dannatt - who was head of the Army from 2006 to 2009 - agreed that a force to keep the peace would require about 100,000 troops.

However he said the UK would have to supply "quite a proportion of that and we really couldn't do it".

"Our military is so run down at the present moment, numerically and as far as capability and equipment is concerned, it would potentially be quite embarrassing," he told BBC Radio 4's The Week in Westminster.

"I mean, if we were to deploy 10,000 troops, each rotation for six months, that would effectively tie up 30,000 or 40,000 troops and we just haven't got that number available.

"So there are some big issues here that today's politicians won't really have considered."

It comes as Britain's foreign and defence secretaries called on the UK and Europe to "do more" to "share the burden" of regional security in a joint article for the Daily Telegraph on Saturday.

UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy said he was "very encouraged" by his talks on Ukraine with US Vice-President JD Vance on Friday, on the first day of the Munich Security Conference.

"We share the view that there has to be an enduring peace," Lammy told Reuters news agency following the meeting.

"There was an agreement that Zelensky and the Ukrainians have to be part of that negotiated deal."

The talks came after Vance gave a speech at the conference, in which he was expected to address possible talks to end the war but instead attacked European democracies.

In the address, he said the greatest threat facing the continent was not from Russia and China, but "from within".

He added that Europe must "step up in a big way to provide for its own defence" and said he hoped a "reasonable settlement" could be reached for the war.

Lammy and his defence colleague John Healey said that Putin had for two decades sought "to recreate the Russian empire and suffocate the countries around its borders".

"Too often in the past, the West has let him," they said in the Telegraph.

"We did too little in 2008 when he invaded Georgia, and in 2014 when he first went into Ukraine."

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who was Nato secretary-general from 2009 to 2014, said "a number of European countries need to step up to the plate" for any peacekeeping mission in Ukraine, adding that the UK and France should lead that coalition by putting boots on the ground.

"I would let military experts determine [the number] but my guess would be between 50,000 and 100,000 troops," he told BBC Newsnight.

As of October 2024, there were 74,612 members of the UK's regular Army forces (excluding Gurkhas and volunteers), according to the latest Ministry of Defence (MoD) figures.

The Army has targets on how many new recruits below the rank of officer it should take on every year, set out by the MoD. These targets have been missed in almost every single financial year since 2010-11, according to a written answer to Parliament last January.
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This would be a good start - Bosalphus KC - 3/3 11:09:19
     UK military too 'run down' to lead Ukraine peace mission - Spanky KU - 3/3 11:32:03
          our war machine can help on the equipment side - tigerinhogtown STL - 3/3 13:06:14
               Liz Cheney likes the cut of your jib. (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 3/3 13:11:49
               oh..and before all these govt folks can collect unemployment - tigerinhogtown STL - 3/3 13:08:01
          RE: UK military too 'run down' to lead Ukraine peace mission - BH O'bonga MU - 3/3 12:28:31
          US troops only bleed for Israel - Columbian Gold MU - 3/3 12:07:44
               See WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, - Spanky KU - 3/3 12:26:40
                    The attack on the Liberty killed more Americans - El-ahrairah BAMA - 3/3 12:33:13
                         Liberty in an area that the US told Israel no US ships were - Spanky KU - 3/3 12:35:35
                              She was a us ship - El-ahrairah BAMA - 3/3 12:36:17
                                   She was in a war zone and the US navy told Israel there - Spanky KU - 3/3 12:41:49
                                        That’s no excuse - El-ahrairah BAMA - 3/3 13:18:03
                                             They mistook it - Spanky KU - 3/3 13:26:47
                    RE: See: I think you mean, 'see the history of a one time - BH O'bonga MU - 3/3 12:30:11
          The UK needs to draft muslims.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 3/3 11:56:26
          The UK needs to send in the tanks - El-ahrairah BAMA - 3/3 11:42:33
     the mineral rights agreement once in place ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:27:54
          RE: the mineral rights agreement once in place ... - sarasotatiger MU - 3/3 12:20:52
               i have no way of commenting to something i don't get(nm) - tmcats KSU - 3/3 12:23:05
          No.. it won't - Spanky KU - 3/3 11:33:10
               nuance it however you choose ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:36:17
                    that's not a nuance, it's a material difference (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/3 12:45:41
                    Correct. Any attack on a country where we have American.... - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 11:43:36
                         RE: Correct. Any attack on a country where we have American.... - BH O'bonga MU - 3/3 12:32:37
                         really, show us a quote where he said that?(nm) - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:44:54
                              "they will be dying" - Link to Zelensky's quote - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 11:48:40
                                   this is propaganda without context(nm) - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:49:55
                                        No, it's Zelensky saying US men and women will die fighting - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 11:50:26
                                             yes, i heard that but it is without context ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:52:29
                                                  He said if article 5 is triggered. And that’s what he is… - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 11:56:39
                                                       he's negotiating, like trump ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:59:50
                                                            You can stick your head in the sand. Doesn't bother me(nm) - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 12:01:22
                                                                 throwing barbs here doesn't matter ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 12:04:08
                                                                      The U.S. is the only one that matters for security... no - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 12:15:02
                                                                           oh, bull****(nm) - tmcats KSU - 3/3 12:23:36
                                                            there not in NATO. (nm) - tman MU - 3/3 12:00:53
                                                                 thus?(nm) - tmcats KSU - 3/3 12:04:57
                    The point is to repay US taxpayers for bailing out Ukraine(nm) - Spanky KU - 3/3 11:37:07
                         RE: The point is to repay US taxpayers for bailing out Ukraine(nm) - sarasotatiger MU - 3/3 12:24:13
                              RE: The point is to repay US taxpayers for bailing out Ukraine(nm) - BH O'bonga MU - 3/3 12:35:38
                         No, that's what the headline is. But in actuality, its a... - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 11:45:42
                         that is not the ukraine point ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:39:32
          The fact that Zelensky rejected it proves they don't want... - North co-co champs MU - 3/3 11:31:43
               It proves the Dems are borderline treasonous - Spanky KU - 3/3 11:38:49
               he did not reject the minerals agreement and ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:36:54
                    RE: he did not reject the minerals: Yes, he did and now he - BH O'bonga MU - 3/3 12:36:49
                    Lol bob (nm) - Panthera MU - 3/3 11:42:23
                         keep up, i know it's moving fast ... - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:43:52
                              Lol bob . Oh and - Panthera MU - 3/3 11:46:24
                                   your replies are shallow as the platte river(nm) - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:50:52
                                        When did Z sign? If he didn’t, why didn’t he? When is he go - Panthera MU - 3/3 14:31:41
                                        RE: your replies are shallow as the platte river: Their are - BH O'bonga MU - 3/3 12:37:50
          Something we do not need - meatiger MU - 3/3 11:31:14
               in fact america is in serious need of rare earth minerals .. - tmcats KSU - 3/3 11:38:43
                    Putin Just Said Russia Would Sell Them To U.S. - Catturd USMC - 3/3 12:10:48
                         brilliant(nm) - tmcats KSU - 3/3 12:24:16




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