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That's an interesting scenario. I have always held that the

Posted on: January 21, 2025 at 09:52:06 CT
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writing in the constitution must stand on its own. And i believe the document says that "children born on american soil are american citizens".

To the extent that i quoted it correctly or nearly so, there is no opportunity in my opinion for any brilliant historian or someone wanting to rewrite history to say "But that is not what they meant".

Maybe it's not what they meant and it was poorly written. Then amend the constitution with a constitutional amendment.

I have heard people try to explain what was "really meant" with that language and they point to other documents written at other times to "prove" it.

Sorry.

Until it's changed or i can be convinced otherwise, if i were on the scotus, ANY child born on american soil or however it's written) is an american citizen.

His parents aren't, his brother and sister aren't, his grand parents aren't, his 23 cousins aren't and his friends aren't.

They don't get to stay. If they want their family to stay together, stay together in mexico.

Adios.
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Hypothetical - If China invaded the USA & one of their women - ZouMiz STL - 1/21 09:06:36
     We don’t even need a hypothetical extreme to know - Outsider MU - 1/21 10:07:27
          Sorry, but you're arguing what it SHOULD say and what it - hokie VT - 1/21 10:10:54
               Or you’re just stupid. Read it yourself (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 10:36:51
               It should be simple to pass, but it won’t be. For those who - Outsider MU - 1/21 10:17:57
                    I would vote against it because the language is clear. The - hokie VT - 1/21 10:35:40
                    You keep using the term common sense. What do you - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:32:35
                         I think we both know what it means but to your question - Outsider MU - 1/21 10:34:19
                              Actually no we both don’t know what it means. It is often - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:37:27
                                   I often look at it from the opposite side. Common sense - Outsider MU - 1/21 10:49:55
                                        You are fundamentally arguing the writers of the - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:52:36
                                             RE: You are fundamentally arguing the writers of the - Outsider MU - 1/21 11:12:15
                                                  “Common sense” doesn’t say anything. If it were “common - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 11:24:24
                                                       RE: “Common sense” doesn’t say anything. If it were “common - Outsider MU - 1/21 11:27:30
                                                            Actually it does follow logic. Someone born in the - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 11:33:14
                                                                 So if said representative of a foreign govt decided to stay - Outsider MU - 1/21 12:00:53
                                                                      Nope. People on vacations are not living in the US. They - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 12:46:08
     That's an interesting scenario. I have always held that the - hokie VT - 1/21 09:52:06
     Of course they shouldn’t be a citizen - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/21 09:42:00
     No one thinks that. No one who is in the US serving in the - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:27:10
          Agree (in part) with you - Spanky KU - 1/21 09:49:36
          ^ fascist (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 09:29:03
               Don’t go full retard (nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:29:35
                    he’s long past that point - pickle MU - 1/21 09:35:41
                         RE: he’s long past that point - meatiger MU - 1/21 09:40:04
                              keep me out of your fantasies, meat (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 10:45:40
                         Wrong Board (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 09:36:49
                              This is what you get for being a Trump suck up - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/21 09:38:24
                                   That is out of left field and has nothing to do with 90 - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:39:44
                                        Gvmt is a myth, Matt, why are you here? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 10:46:02
                                             Why are you becoming dumber?(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:47:24
                                                  Wrong board (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 12:08:13
                    gosh, pickle, that hurts (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 09:30:25
                         I can’t help that you are being stupid. - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:37:00
                              Gvmt is a myth, and I didn't click that (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 10:46:20
          The left has been tweeting about it non stop since Trump - ZouMiz STL - 1/21 09:27:56
               So? It has nothing to do with your hypothetical.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:28:43
                    It's the same situation. Illegal invaders (nm) - ZouMiz STL - 1/21 09:30:00
                         Wrong (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 09:36:35
                              borders are imaginary, it's moot (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 10:46:46
                         It's not, and most replacement immigration is legal (nm) - Columbian Gold MU - 1/21 09:32:13
                         No it isn’t at all. You can make up BS claims, but some - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:31:07
                              Borders are imaginary, Matt (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 10:47:07
                                   And?(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:47:52
                                        RE: And?(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 12:09:01
     RE: Hypothetical - If China invaded the USA & one of their women - meatiger MU - 1/21 09:10:54
          Why is that? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 1/21 09:13:53
     China wouldn't invade the USA - Seagull MU - 1/21 09:08:13
          Did your handler tell you that? - mu7176grad MU - 1/21 09:22:46
               Taiwan is part of China - pickle MU - 1/21 09:36:19
                    lol read your post again - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 09:40:28
                         China 2 Electric Boogaloo(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 1/21 09:52:11
                         Is Alabama part of the US?(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/21 09:47:03
                              Yes, of course - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 09:59:30
                                   lol no it isn’t - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/21 10:13:10
                                        lol - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 10:20:32
                                             It does not - El-ahrairah BAMA - 1/21 12:19:15
                         oh dear (nm) - pickle MU - 1/21 09:42:24
                              That's what I said when I read your post - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 09:44:02
                                   What is the official name of Taiwan?(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:48:42
                                   sometimes i forget you’re stupid - pickle MU - 1/21 09:47:46
                                        His further responses show how little he knows about this(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:59:38
                                        Taiwan is an independent government - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 09:56:19
                                             What is the official name of Taiwan?(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 09:57:47
                                                  Republic of China - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 10:02:37
                                                       Do you know that Taiwan is the name of the island that - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:08:53
                                                            PROC does not have sovereignty over ROC - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 10:15:57
                                                                 The ROC name predates the CCP gaining control of the - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:21:13
                                                                      Yes, the CCP gained control of the mainland - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 10:22:20
                                                                           Wrong. The ROC was created when the Qing dynasty ended. - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:27:21
                                                                                ROC only claims that to make Beijing feel good - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 10:36:31
                                                                                     LOL.. ok whatever you say.(nm) - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:39:51
                                                            and according to One China policy, it's China (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/21 10:09:35
                                                                 Yep. Both sides believe in One China. It’s a dispute over - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:13:41
                                                                 According to an illegitimate government claim? - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 10:11:47
                                                                      No. Both the PROC and ROC claim they are the legitimate - TigerMatt KC - 1/21 10:14:30
                                                                      that's the US policy, dipsh*t (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/21 10:13:34
                                                                           US government? - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 10:17:30
                                        Easy to remember you are - mu7176grad MU - 1/21 09:52:58
                                   Is Peurto Rico called The United States? (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/21 09:47:36
                                        No, it's called Puerto Rico - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 09:53:01
                                             so Puerto Rico isn't part of the United States? - Seagull MU - 1/21 09:53:48
                                                  That's not what you asked - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 09:54:44
                                                       RE: That's not what you asked - pickle MU - 1/21 10:09:00
                                                       oh dear - Seagull MU - 1/21 09:55:03
                                                            You asked two different questions - mizzouSECedes STL - 1/21 09:57:24
               have you been to a doctor lately? (nm) - Seagull MU - 1/21 09:25:03
          You missed the entire point of the question (nm) - ZouMiz STL - 1/21 09:10:22
               Oh, now you’re in favor of the constitution? - pickle MU - 1/21 09:20:24
                    Article 1 Section 9 Clause 1 - Spanky KU - 1/21 14:05:26
                    Who cares, gvmt is a myth and you don't care about it - 90Tiger STL - 1/21 09:30:07
                    Article I, section 8 , clause 4 and 18(nm) - ZouMiz STL - 1/21 09:25:51
                         Nope. Naturalization is about citizenship not immigration - pickle MU - 1/21 09:34:23




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