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You bring a presupposition that a fetus is a human being.

Posted on: September 6, 2024 at 21:11:15 CT
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You have to back up such a claim by defining a human being and prove your definition of human being is the only one correct. I can point to the Theory of Mind and how fetus’ are incapable of understanding and attributing thought processes to other beings. Potentiality is not the same as possession of theory of mind.
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So JimD removed my post asking a specific poster - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 17:45:43
     What is the relevancy of this question? Most - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 23:40:17
          relevance??? your position is the right of the mother over h - 90Tiger STL - 9/7 16:49:59
          It is not “potentiality” - Spanky KU - 9/7 00:09:11
               No, it is potentiality. Not all aborted would result in a - TigerMatt STL - 9/7 08:41:06
               RE: It is not “potentiality” - Toger STL - 9/7 06:11:52
     Why would anyone think that would be a minor assault? - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 18:08:00
          lol, mac, you're a clever gob of mud. How do you - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 18:30:58
               ???I don't support a federal right to abort. - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 19:58:37
                    i didn't say you supported it, but that's the general - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:24:02
                    The question shouldn't really be about whether you support - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:18:45
                         Do you think the state should ban all abortions even - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:26:38
                              The answer to your question is no, but you must understand - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:38:36
                                   Quoting Catholic propaganda. If a woman developed cancer - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:01:16
                                        You either didn't read, or didn't understand what the doctor - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:10:16
                                             So damaging and inflicting pain is ok on the fetus then.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:11:54
                                                  Not intentionally, of course. (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:18:53
                                                       A pregnant woman undergoing cancer treatment is - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:29:43
                                                            You are not being rational, Matt. As noted in the article, - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:42:34
                                                                 You are making an argument that it is ok to put the life - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 22:03:44
                                                                      If the mother dies, they both die. Those are the situations - JeffB MU - 9/6 22:23:13
                                                                           You keep ignoring my questions on the soul because you - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 22:25:47
          The point is the redefinition of the child depending upon - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:09:34
               It is because in one case, a woman is choosing a medical - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 18:50:44
                    "a medical procedure done to her body" is such a gentle - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:52:33
                         The crime/sin is not what she has done to *her* body, but - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:24:36
                         What does it matter if the father objects unless - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:05:00
                              'unless you want to strip away bodily ownership from people' - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:53:37
                              It matters to a lot of prospective fathers, Matt, no matter - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:18:10
                                   Feelings don’t override the bodily autonomy of another - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:22:21
                                        and the bodily autonomy of one person do not override - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:55:37
                                             If some dude’s penis is in your ass, would you feel bad - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 22:23:17
                                        Sure, and a baby = an unwanted wart. Go with that, - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:24:58
                                             I didn’t say that. Your emotions are preventing you - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:28:24
                                                  Irony (nm) - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:55:59
                                                  lol, emotions? stop projecting, matt. there's no emotion in - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:38:21
                                                       I’ve never made such arguments. I oppose blanket - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:12:50
                                                            if you consider the right to her body absolute, the only - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 21:25:48
                                                                 I’m not assuming any position is moral. I’m trying to get - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 22:13:40
                                                                      on this i agree with you (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/7 15:49:38
                                                            You consider laws prohibiting the - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:20:31
                                                                 Again,, define human being. Prove that Theory of Mind - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:25:52
                                                                      I can't really dumb it down any further for you than - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:52:11
                                                                           Jeff, the Theory of Mind does not override science. It is - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 22:10:44
                    Under German law at the time, killing people with Downs - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:54:35
                         Why don’t you ask God? Read Exodus 21. The unborn did not - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 18:55:50
                              appeal to authority, even as a rhetorical device, is still - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:53:30
                                   You’re showing signs of dementia. Jeff is a Catholic who - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:20:33
                                        I'm not speaking of any Catholic dogma other than - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:59:42
                                             You bring a presupposition that a fetus is a human being. - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:11:15
                                                  Whether or not a fetus is a human being is a scientific - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:17:28
                                                       You are appealing to science, the same science you reject on - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:25:09
                                                            Now you are jumping to false conclusions. Are one or two - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:36:00
                                                                 No Jeff. You are confusing “human life” with “human - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:50:30
                                                                      When do human beings (normally) begin? - JeffB MU - 9/6 22:04:07
                                                                           Jeff, you can keep parroting the same ****. But - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 22:20:11
                                        i don't GAF about you and Jeff, Matt. You both hijack thread - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:25:30
                                             The topic is still the same. I’m just pointing out the - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 20:29:50
                                                  You are not 'pointing anything out', you are making unfounde - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:04:31
                                                       And I pointed out your premise is flawed.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:16:15
                                                            No you didn't. You pointed out that you don't know the - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:21:53
                                                                 Scientific consensus does not exist on what is a human being - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 21:33:04
                              Why the red herring? Are you embarrassed to answer the - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:58:18
                                   It answers your question dummy. If a woman had a miscarriage - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 18:59:08
                                        No it doesn't. I asked YOU two questions, you answered - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:06:29
                                             Again, Exodus 21 doesn’t treat the unborn fetus as - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 19:09:07
                                                  I asked what YOU believe. Is THAT what you believe? If not, - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:21:30
                                                       What I believe doesn’t influence law. I gave the - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 19:23:24
                                                            Actually, you gave your own interpretation as to why the - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:32:24
                                                                 You are incapable of following logic. You brain defaults - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 19:35:56
                                                                      You do not understand the Sacred Scriptures, and are - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:45:41
                                                                           You are a heretic. Your own Catechism says the Mosaic - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 19:46:40
                                                                                Start a new thread if you want to argue your poor understand - JeffB MU - 9/6 21:11:20
                                                                                nice thread hijack (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 20:18:31
                                                  As if the rules in some old book are needed to determine - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 19:15:03
                                                       this is solid, even to someone not religious like myself - - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:55:58
               When Ghenghis Kahn arrives at the gate saying the rape and - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 18:50:17
               Trump has often said it's a states issue. I agree - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 18:13:32
                    You are throwing out a red herring. What do you believe? - JeffB MU - 9/6 18:51:40
                         So Jeff, where are you on pregnancy from rape/incest etc? - Macgrantt MU - 9/6 20:10:42
                         He's like every liberal - knows for a damn fact it's outrigh - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 19:07:32
                    this isn't about Trump (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 18:32:44
     That highlights the blatant contradiction that was very - JeffB MU - 9/6 17:57:24
          Well in the Mosaic Law it was just a fine. And in - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 18:49:00
               more red herrings (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 9/6 19:54:02
               The Mosaic Law was just that... law that Moses made up. - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:01:42
                    Well the writer of Exodus said it was handed down from God. - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 19:06:07
                         No, you misunderstand both the Sacred Scriptures and Church - JeffB MU - 9/6 19:27:41
                              From the Catechism of the Catholic Church - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 19:39:55
                                   I don't blame you for not giving up your red herring rather - JeffB MU - 9/6 20:15:34
                              You Catholics are really Biblically illiterate. Read Exodus - TigerMatt STL - 9/6 19:33:12
     To expect any Dem to answer honestly is, laughable.(nm) - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 9/6 17:53:32




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