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ah, so nature never “said” this?

Posted on: October 12, 2023 at 14:10:35 CT
Fire Marshall Bill STL
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it’s a creation of the mind and accepted norm, just like thousands of other things

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Truths - pickle MU - 10/12 12:38:43
     if God doesn’t exist, whom or what grants people rights? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:14:26
          RE: if God doesn’t exist, whom or what grants people rights? - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 13:56:33
          Ask him where those rates are written down. He'll probably - hokie VT - 10/12 13:50:12
               Pickles is a cult freak who craves attention… - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:55:11
                    there it is (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:58:53
                         I agree with most/if not all of those rights - mizzouSECedes STL - 10/12 15:52:54
                         You forgot “whoomp” (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 14:00:29
               coward (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:54:12
          Nature. Rights are inherent to the human species (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:32:13
               If all existence is random collections of atoms acting and - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:46:02
               when did “nature” say this?(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:39:05
                    when man applied his inherent abilities of reason and logic - pickle MU - 10/12 13:41:32
                         so natural rights didn’t exist until The Enlightenment? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 14:01:34
                              no, they have always existed so long as the human species - pickle MU - 10/12 14:04:35
                                   ah, so nature never “said” this? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 14:10:35
                                        no. rights are not a creation of man (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:16:00
                                             it is indeed a creation of man - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 14:25:48
                                                  gravity is a better example (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/12 14:57:54
                                                  it isn’t - pickle MU - 10/12 14:46:07
                                                       rights are not something that is discovered - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 15:51:37
                                                            that's anti-american, omar (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/12 16:35:33
                                                            the ability of a bird to fly is not concrete - pickle MU - 10/12 16:23:10
                                                  "self-evident"(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 14:26:30
                         Are you getting paid by someone to post this… - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:43:54
                    Every time the wind blows, do you not hear it? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:40:05
          The legal grants them more "rights: than other beings(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 10/12 13:21:25
               no (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:04:58
               which is dependent on man/government(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:23:22
                    from a progressive-Maoist standpoinit, that's right - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:43:25
          1. Their creator - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:18:32
               1) isn’t that if there is a God/higher power? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:22:51
                    RE: 1) isn’t that if there is a God/higher power? - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 14:00:33
                    for those who don't believe in God, their creator is - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:28:49
               We're struggling with that 2nd part(nm) - Mormad MU - 10/12 13:19:18
                    you're telling me(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:29:01
          Nature, unless of course, you're fighting a bear(nm) - Mormad MU - 10/12 13:17:54
               Mike Anderson disagrees(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 10/12 13:19:43
     Or what? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:00:55
     and yet you support the right of women to rip the arms & - JeffB MU - 10/12 12:55:58
          no, Jeff. i support self-ownership (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:33:09
               a lot of posters on here self own all the time - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:42:08
                    lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:43:16
               In your own words, pickle: - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:36:28
                    yes, self-ownership, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 13:42:56
                         Does 'self-ownership' trump the non-aggression principle, - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:49:29
                              It's not his duty to enforce her non-aggression - Mormad MU - 10/12 13:52:42
                                   He supports her 'right' to rip the arms and legs off of her - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:55:56
                                        You have decided that it's your duty to stop her from - Mormad MU - 10/12 14:03:24
                                             He said that mothers have a 'right' to intentionally kill - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:21:55
                                                  Yes, that "right" is the right to self-determination - Mormad MU - 10/12 14:46:14
                                                       By that reasoning, your neighbor has the choice to shoot the - JeffB MU - 10/12 15:57:07
                                                            why aren’t you firebombing clinics? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 16:24:15
                                                                 The desperation of one who can't defend the contradictions - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:39:54
                                                                      why aren’t you following your beliefs, Jeff? - pickle MU - 10/12 17:04:00
                                                                           I am. Probably for the same reason that you aren't firebombi - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:09:18
                                                                                you aren’t (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 17:24:32
                                                                                     Your childish 'yes you are', 'no you aren't' exchanges are - JeffB MU - 10/12 17:32:41
                                                            Yes, I agree, Jeff and I have some of the same issues - Mormad MU - 10/12 16:13:28
                                                                 If you believe, along with pickle, that a mother has a right - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:43:36
                                        you have a very odd fetish - pickle MU - 10/12 13:58:30
                                             The fetishes are all yours pickle, and the need for mental - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:01:47
                                                  no, Jeff - pickle MU - 10/12 14:05:54
                                                       You're just trying to get me to reply with 'Irony' again so - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:13:32
                                                            i’m not trying to get you to do anything, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:17:10
          JeffB you STILL haven't learned the difference between - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 13:31:44
               You spoke an untruth 90Tiger. - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:38:13
          that's a lie, Jeff(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:00:26
               No. You spoke an untruth, CD. (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/12 13:37:17
                    you made up his beliefs about using force against - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:48:28
                         Not at all, CD. I just called him out for his support of a - JeffB MU - 10/12 14:05:02
                              lol called me out - pickle MU - 10/12 14:06:58
     RE: Truths - sarasotatiger MU - 10/12 12:55:50
     Opinions mislabeled (once again) as truths. - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 12:49:54
          Yo swamp, can we get the DH version of the declaration - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 13:19:07
               "We hold these truths to be self-evident" They literally - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 14:05:50
                    what does "evident" mean?(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 14:19:30
                    lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:06:13
          Nothing i stated is opinion - pickle MU - 10/12 13:11:47
          In your opinions, which is wrong? - meatiger MU - 10/12 13:10:01
               I did not say any were wrong. Just that none were facts. - DHighlander NWMSU - 10/12 14:01:48
                    all are facts (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 14:14:23
                         Megalomaniacs believe their opinions are facts. (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/12 16:04:32
                              lol Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 16:40:34
               Lol. Easy. let the wordsmithing commence. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 13:20:36
                    slavery doesn’t negate natural rights - pickle MU - 10/12 13:34:53
                         Hilarious bullshyte. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 14:50:00
                         Should that make the slaves feel better? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:36:58
                    Rhay, slavery is an example of a right being infringed - 90Tiger STL - 10/12 13:33:41
                         I laugh at how hard you all try. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 14:52:17
                         Even if it is not against the law - meatiger MU - 10/12 13:35:03
                              Super, and the so what is? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/12 13:39:05
                    Slavery is anti rights - meatiger MU - 10/12 13:29:13
     wrong board. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/12 12:43:20
     counterpoint: - CulturedDan MU - 10/12 12:40:15
          well **** (nm) - pickle MU - 10/12 12:40:49




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