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that's moving the goalpost. What you should ask is

Posted on: October 11, 2023 at 12:44:29 CT
CulturedDan MU
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There's a mass shooter who's, lets say for the sake of argument, holding a baby in front of him. Is the sniper morally justified to shoot through the baby to hit the shooter to take him out?
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All murder is killing. Not all killing is murder. - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 11:47:55
     which category does “collateral damage” fall under? (nm) - pickle MU - 10/11 11:57:30
          War? This isn't difficult. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/11 11:59:29
               and yet you’re struggling here - pickle MU - 10/11 12:08:49
                    What am I struggling with? Or is that… - Outsider MU - 10/11 12:19:38
               I declared war on my annoying neighbor. - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:07:21
                    What did he do to justify you declaring war… - Outsider MU - 10/11 12:20:52
                         her mom hit his mom(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/11 12:51:48
                         He invaded my sovereign space by putting a fence on my - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:31:02
                              Well then killing him for that would be murder… - Outsider MU - 10/11 12:33:14
                                   So, russia's war against the ukraine is unjust?(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:36:37
                                        I would say so. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/11 12:37:23
                                             maybe we are getting somewhere(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:41:53
                         aw jeez - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:24:10
                              Golly gee Beave. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/11 12:24:43
                    Describe his religious headware and then we can rule (nm) - zoomer 99 - 10/11 12:13:19
                    look, 7AM is when I have time to mow - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 12:09:57
                         I see you're using your dog as a nonhuman shield - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:11:56
                              ^^ ATF agent (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 12:19:04
                                   whoah whoah whoah. I'm not a homosexual(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:37:01
                                        have you seen hoax in coaches shorts? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 12:45:44
                                        Hear me out first - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:42:44
                              That crosses the line - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:12:52
     your befuddled morals, unfortunately, - pickle MU - 10/11 11:57:03
     Why do you hate Jesus and the 10 commandments? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 11:54:10
          Do you consider killing someone in an act of self defense to - MIZ45 MU - 10/11 12:08:58
               babies aren't attacking anyone - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:09:48
                    true, but the attackers have babies strapped to their chest - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/11 16:14:25
                    "Someone" is a general term. If I specifically meant babies - MIZ45 MU - 10/11 12:16:24
                         Actually, the reality is they aren't going after the people - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:18:21
                              My question is not - MIZ45 MU - 10/11 12:20:25
                                   I did. It's not murder if you break into my house and - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:21:30
                                        Are you limiting self defense to whether or not you are in - MIZ45 MU - 10/11 14:05:32
          Why do you hate Jews? Jesus was jewish you know. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/11 11:57:10
          I don't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 11:55:06
               RE: I don't - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 11:56:17
                    I love people who know some Scripture - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 11:59:47
                         Ironic (nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/11 13:07:04
                         ^^says the guy who believes there's a division of the - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:12:33
                              3 categories? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:24:11
                                   Moral, civil, ceremonial - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:25:29
                                        Well, if we are talking about the things of God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:29:59
                                             a true mainline theologian would say it's 3 categories. - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:34:01
                                                  Moral - it is the second table of the 10 Commandments(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:35:53
                                                       I agree that it would be moral, but not in the 10 - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:41:10
                                                            It is, by Jesus own words, the directly from the - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:52:27
                                                                 "Then Smugs asked, who is my neighbor? (I hope it's not - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 13:30:33
                                                                 Does loving your neighbor as yourself mean it is ok - TigerMatt STL - 10/11 13:05:14
                                                                      Not if you don't have authority to do it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 13:11:41
                                                                           Well correct Israel doesn’t have the authority(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 10/11 13:25:50
                         KJV - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:00:49
                              Yes - easily found. I am pasting the below - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:02:48
                                   And how did the Hebrews define "murder" - Mormad MU - 10/11 12:04:08
                                        He Gone - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:21:52
                                   babies in gaza are being murdered by israelis - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:03:56
                                        If those babies are being purposefully targeted - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:05:56
                                             they are . killing babies is unlawful - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:06:40
                                                  If you have evidence they are targeting babies - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:24:51
                                                       so collateral damage isn't murder - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:29:34
                                                            That is correct - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:31:03
                                                                 that's moving the goalpost. What you should ask is - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:44:29
                                                                      All effort should be taken to deal only with the true threat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:56:52
                                                                           so....deflection. Got it(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 13:40:54
                                                                 they aren't going after the murderers - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:32:13
                                                                      They are attacking know Hamas safeholds - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:33:34
                                                                           You're flailing - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:35:07
                                             RE: If those babies are being purposefully targeted - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:06:16
                                                  That is is a fringe view - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:26:34
                                                       No. you're the typical american cafeteria Christian - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:30:16
                                                            There is a reason God so often led the children if Israel - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:35:07
                                                                 Smugs you're on the wrong side of this - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 12:42:03
     It's been a hamas support group for days here. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/11 11:51:46
          you’re an idiot, RHAY - pickle MU - 10/11 11:58:02
               yes, you truly are that ridiculous. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/11 12:03:24
                    you’re the one with the cavalier attitude to life - pickle MU - 10/11 12:07:57
                         This article describes your approach. - RHAYWORTH MU - 10/11 12:17:25
                              it’s ignorance given the US was the instigator - pickle MU - 10/11 12:24:08
          I suggest u take some pepto - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/11 11:52:53
     You just went way over the heads of many... - Outsider MU - 10/11 11:51:01
          he didn’t (nm) - pickle MU - 10/11 12:15:39
          I know - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 11:53:28
     A rabbi already explained this - zoomer 99 - 10/11 11:50:29
          welp - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/11 11:53:11
     I don't think that's really the argument - Mormad MU - 10/11 11:50:12
          When the 'actors' are using human shields and actively - Spanky KU - 10/11 11:55:48
               I think that's the crux of the debate, Spanks - Mormad MU - 10/11 12:00:00
                    Collateral damage is often unavoidable when the - Spanky KU - 10/11 13:28:33
                    Human shields violate international law(nm) - Spanky KU - 10/11 12:47:10
                    that never gets old - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 12:00:57
                         I wish I could say the same(nm) - Mormad MU - 10/11 12:01:38
          You just went way over the heads of many... - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 11:52:22
          Oh, it was proclaimed here just yesterday - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 11:52:08
               It's evil. - CulturedDan MU - 10/11 12:03:15
                    I didn't wordsmith anything - you said it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 12:37:46
                         you misquoted him (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 12:43:20
                              Yes, "KILLING PEOPLE IS EVIL" was the quote - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 13:00:38
                                   it's not exactly the same meaning and - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 13:03:44
               try to be honest (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 11:53:29
                    That is 100% honest - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 11:54:22
                         what link? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 11:55:13
                              So you called me dishonest - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/11 11:55:47
                                   that's what I thought (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 10/11 11:56:22




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