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that's not a good analogy to me

Posted on: May 8, 2023 at 07:55:03 CT
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use of a gun to inflict violence on self or others is relevant to a discussion of gun violence.

And when you look at per capita data, those 5 states (including ours) have higher rates.

That is sad and a problem we must collectively address.
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Blue State Gun Violence - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:00:25
     Its common sense, and the stupid responses below are the - FIJItiger MU - 5/8 08:20:14
          I can't say I disagree with any of that(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:12:25
          If I were ever to randomly shot it would not be in my - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:53:03
               9 older people went to church on Sunday, June 17, 2015 - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:15:19
                    There are outliers in any large data set. Focusing on them - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:16:47
                         They're people not outliers* - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:40:36
                              Data is data. Outlier is not a moral judgement. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:56:06
                                   I'm more interested in people than being right(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 12:05:47
                         Hopefully you or someone you know doesn't become an outlier - FIJItiger MU - 5/8 09:18:53
                              Or you can be proactive and avoid high crime areas and your - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:59:42
                                   So many of these mass murders are in suburban areas - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 12:07:08
               I'm sure that is what most victims of mass shootings thought - FIJItiger MU - 5/8 08:55:52
     Wow amazing. In states where it is easier to obtain a - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:46:52
          Over 50% of gun deaths annually are from suicide… - Outsider MU - 5/8 07:56:44
               It is a way to make an urban problem appear to be a national - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:18:42
                    Is it possible that it is both?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:24:22
                         Look at crime maps. Murder is NOT a national problem. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:34:48
                              I hope you never do know anyone who is murdered. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:38:26
                                   We do have the highest rate but it is not homogenous - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:50:47
                                        Of course it's not homogenous as any data set can be - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:00:59
                                             Our educational system spends disproportionately - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:15:48
                                                  property taxes are the huge lever - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 09:32:40
                                                       That was total per pupil spending. It takes into account - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 09:53:19
                                                            Don't agree with that at all. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 12:37:01
                    Spot on. (nm) - Outsider MU - 5/8 08:22:17
          True, choosing poison, drowning, jumping off a tall building - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:50:44
               if it allows us to have a greater chance of intervening and - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:59:38
                    What's your solution? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:00:45
                         Let's start with respectful discourse - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:09:14
                              RE: Let's start with respectful discourse - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 08:33:50
                                   I agree with all of that(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:40:06
                              you contradict yourself - DesertTiger MU - 5/8 08:30:39
                                   No, I'm saying I have ideas but admit I could be wrong - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:35:00
                                        my concern is any infringement - DesertTiger MU - 5/8 08:52:38
                              respectful discourse: You misrepresented data in your OP, - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 08:29:06
                              But when you focus on guns you ignore the underlying - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:23:57
                              We have a big cultural problem alright - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:10:22
                                   So it seems you already have the answers then. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:12:20
                                        Nobody will ever change my mind that we - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:15:04
                                             doesn't it depend on confiscate guns from whom? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:19:51
                                                  Why stop at guns then? - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:22:23
                                                       oh I'm with you on that. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:26:09
               RE: True, choosing poison, drowning, jumping off a tall building - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:55:24
               Also a male/female issue. Males overwhelmingly choose guns - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:54:34
          RE: Wow amazing. In states where it is easier to obtain a - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:49:31
               Slightly dated but I doubt the numbers change much. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:07:58
                    Thanks for the link - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:11:00
                         But there are still obvious differences. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 08:47:08
     now do demographics - Th8tnTiger MU - 5/8 07:42:22
          did you see Elon's white supremacist tweet?(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 07:50:40
               yes aaron rupar was not happy about it(nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 5/8 07:54:36
                    what was the tweet? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:56:00
                         RE: what was the tweet? (nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 5/8 07:58:25
                              lol awesome (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:59:27
          Are you trying to inject nuance into his nice & tidy - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:49:24
     Yeah that whole MORE GUNS FOR EVERYBODY - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:41:40
          The whole MORE INSANE because they are goo & chance - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 08:07:04
          Because if there were no guns there would be no crime - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/8 07:50:07
               Because if there were less guns there would be - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 08:00:11
                    how do you know that?(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 08:09:27
                    You believe that - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:01:38
               Irrelevant, but carry on(nm) - Mormad MU - 5/8 07:52:03
          yes unfortunately true on both points(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:48:15
          What is your solution? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:42:00
               There likely is no solution. You people have - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:47:46
                    lol what? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:49:25
                    "you people" - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 07:49:16
               Get rid of scary guns of course(nm) - redngray MU - 5/8 07:42:38
                    ...held by the common people. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:45:14
                    He won't have the balls to say that - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:43:13
                         I'm not for gun confiscation, you 🤡 - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:48:34
                              Do you want the You People to confiscate them? lol(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 08:08:20
                              Why not? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:51:22
                              "DO SOMETHING!" - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 07:50:17
                         I will concede that Lamar - redngray MU - 5/8 07:44:06
                              I'm actually interested in the discourse - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:52:42
                              RE: I will concede that Lamar: True, but he doubles down on - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:45:20
                                   You mean stoopid like lying POS cowards - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 08:02:46
                                   RE: I will concede that Lamar: True, but he doubles down on - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:54:18
     Dude needs to stay in his lane - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 07:36:37
          so he shouldn't research gun violence because - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:38:05
               go back and read what he posted (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:40:30
                    okay. and?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:41:14
               no, he's the director of interpersonal violence and he's - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 07:39:44
                    how does that mean he should stay in his lane? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:41:02
                         Where did I say he should shut up? - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 07:43:49
                              Stay in his lane? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:50:59
                                   Relevant gun data would be violence - which he apparently - CulturedDan MU - 5/8 07:52:49
                                        that's not a good analogy to me - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:55:03
                                             What's the solution to addressing the problem? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:57:20
                                                  I don't have the solutions but I'd think that - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:07:48
                                   It isn't relevant data (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:51:42
                                        I find it relevant though. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:53:35
                                             It isn't relevant (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:57:37
                                                  to you - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:12:59
                                                       I never claimed that (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:14:21
                                                            Okay. Thanks for clarifying(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:15:00
                         You're struggling with basic words today (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:41:40
     You cited the speaker; I stand corrected. But why not cite - hokie VT - 5/8 07:29:32
     Blue City gun deaths dwarf all others(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 07:23:52
          Yep. It’s interesting that the study focuses on state… - Outsider MU - 5/8 07:28:42
          Not per capita. (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:27:00
               lol you can't be helped commie(nm) - TigerFan92 STL - 5/8 07:37:16
                    sorry just trying to help you understand(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:38:27
     How many guns are there by State. Are you telling us those - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:23:45
          it's per capita(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:27:30
               RE: it's per capita: Why didn't you include that in your OP? - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:35:02
                    because it doesn't take a PhD to understand that(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:38:48
                         You were caught misrepresenting statistical information. - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:44:15
                              It sounds like you need to be right - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:56:53
          Or California? The premise is flawed. (nm) - Outsider MU - 5/8 07:25:16
     RE: Blue State Gun Violence - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:21:17
     How many murders with guns? How many deaths from all other - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:20:09
     You quote people without context, you cite speeches - hokie VT - 5/8 07:19:27
          It's a direct quote from an academic who studies - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:24:24
               RE: It's a direct quote from an academic: He's an advocate - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:36:49
                    RE: It's a direct quote from an academic: He's an advocate - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:59:19
                    so you're unwilling to accept data from anyone who - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:39:45
                         Not what I posted. If you were honest, you wouldn't attempt - BH O'bonga MU - 5/8 07:47:25
                              Help me understand your post then because - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:57:50
          RE: You quote people without context, you cite speeches - sarasotatiger MU - 5/8 07:23:11
     What's the point of this information?(nm) - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:03:32
          Where there are more guns, there are more deaths. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:13:12
               You didn't answer his question (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:24:18
                    Yes. He did answer the question... - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/8 07:42:57
                    He asked the point. I restated the point the author made(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:26:16
                         That point is meaningless - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:28:15
                              that's your opinion but I certainly disagree (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:40:15
                                   You don't think there should be an action item? (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:42:23
                                        No there should not - meatiger MU - 5/8 08:16:26
               Even if it were true (and even if we accepted your cherry - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:21:42
                    This is the problem here - meatiger MU - 5/8 08:15:15
                         What good is the data without a solution to - Sal CMSU - 5/8 08:20:06
                    That's a different question. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:25:15
                         Here's your chance to answer it (nm) - Sal CMSU - 5/8 07:25:46
          Contrary to what he says - redngray MU - 5/8 07:10:00
               You really are full of fear(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:13:33
                    Am I the one constantly posting about guns? - redngray MU - 5/8 07:14:54
                         What do you constantly post about? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:18:46
                              You've been riding the wave - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:23:18
                              This post is full of irrational fear.(nm) - ummmm MU - 5/8 07:22:29
                              Strange post but ok(nm) - redngray MU - 5/8 07:20:50
                                   Not willing to answer?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:25:30
                                        Answer what? - redngray MU - 5/8 07:29:38
                                             Sure. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 07:43:08
                                                  I’m not constantly starting threads about them - redngray MU - 5/8 07:45:34
                                                       constantly? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/8 08:17:02




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