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You need to take your advice. SCOTUS ruled it was

Posted on: September 15, 2022 at 11:33:06 CT
Spanky KU
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in Smith v Turner

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/48/283.html

Justice McKINLEY:

"I have examined the opinions of Mr. Justice McLean and Mr. Justice Catron, and concur in the whole reasoning upon the main question, but wish to add, succinctly, my own views upon a single provision of the Constitution.

The first clause of the ninth section and first article of the [48 U.S. 283, 453] Constitution provides, that 'the migration or importation of such persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year 1808; but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.'

On the last argument of this cause, no reference was made to this clause of the Constitution; nor have I ever heard a full and satisfactory argument on the subject. Yet on a full examination of this clause, connected with other provisions of the Constitution, it has had a controlling influence on my mind in the determination of the case before us. Some of my brethren have insisted that the clause here quoted applies exclusively to the importation of slaves. If the phrase, "the migration or importation of such persons," was intended by the Convention to mean slaves only, why, in the assertion of the taxing power, did they, in the same clause, separate migration from importation, and use the following language: — "But a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person"? All will admit, that, if the word migration were excluded from the clause, it would apply to slaves only. An unsuccessful attempt was made in the Convention to amend this clause by striking out the word migration, and thereby to make it apply to slaves exclusively. In the face of this fact, the debates in the Convention, certain numbers of the Federalist, together with Mr. Madison's report to the legislature of Virginia in 1799, — eleven years after the adoption of the Constitution, — are relied on to prove that the words migration and importation are synonymes, within the true intent and meaning of this clause. The acknowledged accuracy of language and clearness of diction in the Constitution would seem to forbid the imputation of so gross an error to the distinguished authors of that instrument.

I have been unable to find any thing in the debates of the Convention, in the Federalist, or the report of Mr. Madison, inconsistent with the construction here given. Were they, however, directly opposed to it, they could not, by any known rule of construction, control or modify the plain and unambiguous language of the clause in question. The conclusion, to my mind, is therefore irresistible, that there are two separate and distinct classes of persons intended to be provided for by this clause.

Although they are both subjects of commerce, the latter class only is the subject of trade and importation. The slaves are not immigrants, and had no exercise of volition in their transportation from Africa to the United States.

The owner was bound to enter them at the custom-house as 454*454 any other article of commerce or importation, and to pay the duty imposed by law, whilst the persons of the first class, although subjects of commerce, had the free exercise of volition, and could remove at pleasure from one place to another; and when they determined to migrate or remove from any European government to the United States, they voluntarily dissolved the bond of allegiance to their sovereign, with the intention to contract a temporary or permanent allegiance to the government of the United States, and if transported in an American ship, that allegiance commenced the moment they got on board. They were subject to, and protected by, the laws of the United States, to the end of their voyage.

Having thus shown that there are two separate and distinct classes included in, and provided for by, the clause of the Constitution referred to, the question arises, how far the persons of the first class are protected, by the Constitution and laws of the United States, from the operation of the statute of New York now under consideration. The power was conferred on Congress to prohibit migration and importation of such persons into all the new States, from and after the time of their admission into the Union, because the exemption from the prohibition of Congress was confined exclusively to the States then existing, and left the power to operate upon all the new States admitted into the Union prior to 1808. Four new States having been thus admitted within that time, it follows, beyond controversy, that the power of Congress over the whole subject of migration and importation was complete throughout the United States after 1808.

The power to prohibit the admission of "all such persons" includes, necessarily, the power to admit them on such conditions as Congress may think proper to impose; and therefore, as a condition, Congress has the unlimited power of taxing them. If this reasoning be correct, the whole power over the subject belongs exclusively to Congress, and connects itself indissolubly with the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations. How far, then, are these immigrants protected, upon their arrival in the United States, against the power of State statutes? The ship, the cargo, the master, the crew, and the passengers are all under the protection of the laws of the United States, to the final termination of the voyage; and the passengers have a right to be landed and go on shore, under the protection and subject to these laws only, except so far as they may be subject to the quarantine laws of the place where they are landed; which laws are not drawn in question in this controversy. The great question here is, Where does the power of the United States over this subject end, and where does the 455*455 State power begin? This is, perhaps, one of the most perplexing questions ever submitted to the consideration of this court...."

Edited by Spanky at 11:35:34 on 09/15/22
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Sitting in the hotel with the news on - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:05:07
     They probably thought "Jackpot" when getting off the bus - shorty MU - 9/15 11:53:01
          Maybe they're illegals from - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/15 12:25:10
     Who is paying for this transport and what's it costing? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/15 11:27:42
          far less than welfare, housing, and education for starters. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 11:52:40
               good argument for a socialist - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:53:12
                    Oh wait, let's all hold hands and wish for govt to vanish! - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 12:00:08
                         War, rape , starvation end today! - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 12:06:53
                              hmmm... your voting didn't work either - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:28:32
                         You just to not understand the genius of non-participation - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:02:40
                              what is it, exactly, that you think I'm on board with? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 12:07:35
                                   Are you not one of the non-participation advocates? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:09:49
                                        If you embraced nonparticipation - pickle MU - 9/15 12:43:32
                                             and being in his current one, means he couldn't get a real - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:44:55
                                        He's more like a convenient excuse maker for them. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 12:26:12
                                             Irony - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/15 12:30:19
                         strawman - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:01:27
          Probably the state gov't - Sal CMSU - 9/15 11:52:04
          They asked these question when Biden was flying them - shorty MU - 9/15 11:49:01
          Whatever the number may be it is significantly less than - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 11:37:01
               Would you happen to know if tax money is used to pay for - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:44:20
               ^says the welfare recipient (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:43:07
                    Congrats, you are getting very close to JG levels of - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:00:45
                         are you not a public school teacher? (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 12:13:17
                              Yes, despite your ignorant ramblings teachers are paid - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/15 12:21:34
                                   So you’re a welfare recipient - pickle MU - 9/15 12:44:30
                                   so you're a welfare recipient... why are you so defensive - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:27:58
                                   It's the Asperger's (nm) - Tigrrrr! MU - 9/15 12:23:55
               Not indeterminate...transitory. nm - hokie VT - 9/15 11:38:02
          That's a fair question and i asked it myself. Just as I'm - hokie VT - 9/15 11:33:25
          If the state government is paying pennies to save dollars - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:28:28
               How could they be saving money - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/15 11:35:37
                    The longer they stay there the more they cost - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:39:22
     These are people - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/15 11:18:57
          Why should they be allowed in s country that's not their own - TigerFan92 STL - 9/15 11:29:45
               At one time they were all holy fetuses.(nm) - Toger STL - 9/15 11:38:07
               freedom and liberty (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:36:36
                    Is there not freedom and liberty in martha's vineyard? non - hokie VT - 9/15 11:38:58
                         never been there (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:41:24
                              But you've been to all the border towns in texas, arizona, - hokie VT - 9/15 11:47:09
                                   they aren’t illegals. again, read the Constitution (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:55:48
                                        Read the state constitutions (nm) - tman MU - 9/15 12:26:56
                                   no, weird question (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:49:59
                                        You couldn't answer about whether martha's has freedom - hokie VT - 9/15 11:56:32
                                             you see people as human garbage. wow - pickle MU - 9/15 12:00:39
                                             you're confused (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 12:00:18
                                                  Can you explain or is that all you have? nm - hokie VT - 9/15 12:01:08
                                                       you would just confuse the explanation, too - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:02:27
                                                            Good thing you're here to defend the cowardice of swamp rat, - hokie VT - 9/15 12:07:53
                                                                 You’re a liar and a coward(nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 12:48:46
                                                                 you're in no position to call anyone else a coward - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:25:48
                                                       I can, but you're a troll - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 12:01:59
          Sending people to the cities who have identified themselves - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:26:23
               Those places aren’t that though - El-ahrairah BAMA - 9/15 11:34:25
                    Chicago, NY and DC are precisely that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:36:19
     again, immigration is not a constitutional power - pickle MU - 9/15 11:17:27
          Quick call DHS they think they are involved - mu7176grad MU - 9/15 11:32:50
               abolish the DHS (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 9/15 11:53:05
               that’s a lazy, stupid reply (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:41:08
          Again.. You are 100% wrong(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:26:56
               Educate yourself - JayHoaxH8r MU - 9/15 11:28:23
                    Maybe discuss instead of decreeing what you wish were true. - hokie VT - 9/15 11:36:03
                         I have shown them the exact Clause and SCOTUS ruling - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:37:57
                              That's all they have. Their feelings are their laws. nm - hokie VT - 9/15 11:40:01
                                   read the Constitution, phony patriot (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:41:41
                                        You are an illiterate apparently - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:53:14
                                   Asshat tried...but he failed to actually read the article - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:41:37
                                        I guess when you've been beaten, you can always lie - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:46:30
                                             This is a discussion board. You see it as a competition. - hokie VT - 9/15 11:51:07
                                                  you're projecting again, retard (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:52:12
                                             Try again.... Why did you ignore these posts? - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:49:14
                    You need to take your advice. SCOTUS ruled it was - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:33:06
                    he tried. went to kU. failed learning anything - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:29:27
                         You are very dumb - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:36:31
                              says the guy that tried to use the Migration and Importation - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:43:17
                                   SCOTUS ruled that 'slaves are not migrants' and that - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:48:41
                                        the SCOTUS was wrong - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:49:07
                                             In what world is a slave a Migrant? Do tell! - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:50:08
                                                  wouldn't someone being forced to migrate, not be a migrant? - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:03:42
                                                       No.. a slave would be an import(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:06:21
                                                            not all of them (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 13:08:28
                                                                 It is for terms of this clause.... it deals with importation - Spanky KU - 9/15 16:05:48
                                                                      wrong again, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 16:47:25
                                                            what's the difference between an import and a migrant?(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:11:25
                                                                 A slave is not a migrant. A slave is property - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:12:52
                                                                      slaves are people(nm) - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:15:42
                                                                           They were property and excluded as people - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:20:10
                                                                                I was responding to your "in what world" post - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:22:51
                                                                                     Migrant has a definition - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:28:59
                                                                                          of course that's not why they move, they are forced - cnk ATL - 9/15 12:43:00
                                                                                               They were imported as property... they were not - Spanky KU - 9/15 13:40:13
                                                                                          RE: Migrant has a definition - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:33:02
                                                                                               You are so dumb. Per SCOTUS: - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:36:10
                                                                                                    the dumb one is the guy taking the SCOTUS's incorrect ruling - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:38:35
                                                                                                         You are the dumb@$$ who thinks a slave is a migrant - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:41:20
                                                                                                              now you're just doubling down on your ignorance - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:42:08
                                                                                                                   Nope. You fail to learn - Spanky KU - 9/15 13:01:02
                                                                                                                        projection (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 13:03:38
                                                  the clause addressed slaves - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:51:51
                                                       he’s not worth it (nm) - pickle MU - 9/15 11:56:23
                                                            he's far too dishonest, I know (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:58:33
                                                       and Migrants..... Slaves are not Migrants - Spanky KU - 9/15 11:53:54
                                                            what was the reason it was adopted in the first place? - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:56:12
                                                                 To control Migration and Importation of people - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:04:22
                                                                      wrong! - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:04:53
                                                                           Why are you so very, very ignorant? - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:26:02
                                                                                you don't even know the history of it or why it was included - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:26:50
                                                                                     Yes... you are very, very ignorant(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:29:36
                                                                                          you're projecting again (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:35:11
                                                                           Why was Migration included in the clause? - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:05:41
                                                                                I'm not here to spoon feed you - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:26:09
                                                                                     You refuse to be educated and are too ignorant to ever - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:30:02
                                                                                          I already am, unlike you - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:34:56
                                                                                               No... you are clearly an idiot(nm) - Spanky KU - 9/15 12:41:46
                                                                                                    there are 4 idiots in this thread - ashtray UF - 9/15 12:43:14
                                                                                                         and you are the remaining 3 - Spanky KU - 9/15 14:28:09
                                                                                                              wrong again, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 14:57:08
                                                                                                                   Are you all 4???? - Spanky KU - 9/15 15:06:30
                                                                                                                        wrong again, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 16:47:06
                              I actally think ummm would post here more - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:42:07
                                   stop projecting (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:43:46
          Not relevant. The State of Texas is offering the - tman MU - 9/15 11:23:01
     RE: Sitting in the hotel with the news on - Th8tnTiger MU - 9/15 11:17:23
          Exactly - their hypocrisy on open display - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 9/15 11:27:42
     is this another one of those days where you post the same - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:06:27
          that's exactly what the pickle cult does every day here. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 11:41:04
               if I wanted the retarded take, I would have asked you - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:45:42
                    Brilliant comeback. - RHAYWORTH MU - 9/15 11:49:52
                         probably over your head, agreed (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:52:31
          Any comments on the post? I thought diversity is our - hokie VT - 9/15 11:28:19
               I did the first 10 times it was posted - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:28:47
          is this another one of those days where you whine about - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:10:40
               sounds like you're projecting again (nm) - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:12:09
                    how many of the voices in your head are telling you that? - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:13:50
                         just the one when I read your post - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:14:41
                              So you are possed by a female demon. - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:27:24
                                   that post reads like a squeaky femboi, too - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:28:22
                                        So you also have a femboi demon. - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:30:11
                                             there it is again - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:30:33
                                                  I don't control your demons' voices in your head. - MizzouTigerz MU - 9/15 11:36:57
                                                       it's just how your feminine posts sound - ashtray UF - 9/15 11:44:19




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