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Posted on: December 24, 2021 at 15:44:31 CT
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my premise as well as Dave's has always been ksu greased players through, prop 48's and that was a MAJOR factor in them building their football program. You never addressed that, or denied it.

For example:

You remember Maurice Benson ? dback from Mahattan ks, I knew his mom who worked at Geary County Hospital in Junction City. During the Stull years at Mizzou, we had higher entrance requirements than the Big required b/c our administration wanted to put the 'student' in student -athlete. Yeah it was bull sh*t.

Pat Benson who I think is now retired told me on more than one occasion it was definitely harder to get into MU than kstate and trust me ksu wanted him

Hate on me, call me a liar, but sorry these are the facts. You bring up basketball and I do remember the Clemmons deal and talk about other side issues.

You guys just have a real hard time with the fact you did things differently back then and Snyder is not god. You see him as some genius and savior. Dave and I are pointing facts in your program at that time.

No, nobody said you were cheating or being unethical. I have always said you were more aggressive than we were in building your program that's all.

Edited by Nohawks at 15:46:49 on 12/24/21
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No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - Nats84 MU - 12/24 07:05:23
     RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - MOCO SON MU - 12/26 14:16:25
     Look, year 1 for Drink was during a pandemic - MoGold MU - 12/24 11:45:29
          So all the practice in 2020, all the games in 2020, - Bacon MU - 12/24 14:16:31
               Sure, but to not admit the limitations is nonsense - MoGold MU - 12/25 00:09:33
     Psst Drink accepted the job on December 9, 2019. If there - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:13:32
          Psst Went 4-4 in SEC with that roster. Nm - Nats84 MU - 12/24 12:03:11
               winning 8 SEC games in his first 2 years with Vandy-level - zounami MU - 12/24 13:47:49
     For what we are paying these coaches I expect to see - Bacon MU - 12/24 10:18:55
          A fair assessment based on available information. (nm) - winslow MU - 12/24 11:31:49
          Pinkel’s talent evaluation + staff consistency + Ivey - VaCoach_Tiger05 MU - 12/24 10:42:58
               True. GP would struggle in today's era of free agency. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 10:49:38
                    Maybe... nm - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:28:54
          RE: For what we are paying these coaches I expect to see - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:25:24
          Drink is out-recruiting his pay grade, and matching it on - zounami MU - 12/24 10:20:55
               11-12 for 4 mil per - Jeff85 MU - 12/24 13:14:50
                    Year 1 was an all-SEC slate. And given that the roster is - zounami MU - 12/24 13:45:15
               He's recruiting players with stars but how is that showing - Bacon MU - 12/24 10:21:54
                    Ah, he really just signed ‘his’ 2nd class - MoGold MU - 12/24 11:50:22
                    How many classes do you feel are on campus right now? - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:30:15
                         1 and a half. Drink made a choice to retain Odom's - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:38:47
                              What was his alternative? Pull all the committed offers and - zounami MU - 12/24 11:44:13
                                   Retain players that fit his system, pull offers from players - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:48:52
                                        They may transfer but you don't pull offers late in the... - BandG MU - 12/24 12:17:44
                                             But it's okay for a coach to continually "encourage" players - Bacon MU - 12/24 13:00:03
                                                  Correct, that's the way it is. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 13:36:24
                                                       To me that's a lack of integrity. You know a player isn't - Bacon MU - 12/24 14:35:09
                    Other than elite 5* prospects, most players aren't ready to - zounami MU - 12/24 10:25:05
                    Dude had a makeshift defense and a broken QB - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 10:24:18
                         Going into year 2 - that's on him, not Odom. - Bacon MU - 12/24 10:34:19
                              Sigh(nm) - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:31:13
                              WTF? His second class has not yet arrived on campus - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 11:22:35
                                   Good points. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 11:33:19
                                   OR - consider the possibility that the lack of performance - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:28:25
                                        He didn't recruit them. Take a step away from the computer - Erwin Fletcher STL - 12/24 11:32:38
                                             He did, he made a choice to keep the players that - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:39:53
                              There were very few "star players" on the 2020 roster... - zounami MU - 12/24 10:38:31
                              How many talented players has Drink lost? Can you name them? - zounami MU - 12/24 10:35:42
                                   How about - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:22:52
                                        "many more" lol... a lot of the ones you listed aren't - zounami MU - 12/24 11:30:04
                                             And yet, they continue to leave 2 years in. nm - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:41:05
                                                  RE: And yet, they continue to leave 2 years in. nm - Nohawks KC - 12/24 12:11:40
                                                       We hired a coach with 1 year of G5 coaching experience... - Bacon MU - 12/24 13:05:54
                                                            Everything is on him - Nohawks KC - 12/24 13:31:35
                    We'll see if he can win as much as Butch Jones - zoomer 99 - 12/24 10:23:12
                         Butchs record in recruiting - Nohawks KC - 12/24 11:13:32
                              So what you're showing here is that not only did - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:42:10
                                   Seriously ? Of course not. I'd never make the case that - Nohawks KC - 12/24 11:49:42
                                   Butch inherited a loaded roster. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 11:46:45
                                        And what's your excuse for Pittman? nm - Bacon MU - 12/24 11:49:48
                                             Pittman inherited classes like this... - zounami MU - 12/24 11:54:52
                                                  Let me see if I have this right... - Bacon MU - 12/24 13:23:09
                                                       you have it wrong and you're overcomplicating it... - zounami MU - 12/24 13:33:13
                                                            I think you hve it wrong. The players came out day 1 - Bacon MU - 12/24 14:13:15
                                             29 'super seniors' on the roster - I've always said - Nohawks KC - 12/24 11:51:53
     Yep.Go ahead and bet your house and 401k. You wont regret it - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 10:15:20
     2023(nm) - McKinneyTiger MU - 12/24 08:41:49
     Says the guy who thought we'd win the bowl comfortably - Nohawks KC - 12/24 08:21:16
          in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - zounami MU - 12/24 08:48:39
               Agreed. Monken actually cared about winning the game. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/24 09:54:49
                    It was probably his & his players' Super Bowl. (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:55:51
                         Pretty sure that's the Army/Navy game.(nm) - Fool on the Hill MU - 12/24 10:10:12
                              or an SEC opponent... Boston College stormed the field - zounami MU - 12/24 10:19:11
                         Highly doubt they gave us that much respect. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/24 09:57:00
                              While Monken game-planned for this exhibition game, Drink - zounami MU - 12/24 09:59:08
                                   If bowl games are meaningless to Drinkwitz, - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/24 10:02:03
                                        Old fart alert here but - Nohawks KC - 12/24 10:10:30
                                        6-6 bowl games *are* meaningless, and we've won the East - zounami MU - 12/24 10:03:12
               RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - KC rules MU - 12/24 09:54:08
                    RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:06:09
                         He did. I recorded and watched it. It was right at the - STLTIGER MU - 12/24 10:18:25
                    Their FG kicker's long of the season was 33 yards... - zounami MU - 12/24 09:55:04
               Now, do one pretending Odom was still our coach. - Gary P. MU - 12/24 09:23:00
                    in this hypothetical, should I also pretend that Odom - zounami MU - 12/24 09:28:43
                         Same energy - Gary P. MU - 12/24 09:51:21
                              What do you mean? (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:53:16
               Uh huh. Well we took that chance with walk on DB's by - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:55:44
               Possibly. And of course the other factor - Nohawks KC - 12/24 08:52:56
               RE: in fairness, Army had everything go in its favor... opt-outs - CPA MU - 12/24 08:52:02
                    Army only lost @ Wisconsin by 6 points, with the badgers - zounami MU - 12/24 09:04:37
                         We all know the military teams system is obnoxious to play - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:15:08
                              Isn't that a clue that maybe other - GA Tiger MU - 12/24 09:28:17
                                   RE: Isn't that a clue that maybe other - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:08:20
                                        RE: Isn't that a clue that maybe other - sarasotatiger MU - 12/24 10:10:39
                                   it doesn't work consistently, and we would have crushed them - zounami MU - 12/24 09:37:27
                                        RE: it doesn't work consistently, and we would have crushed them - cybertyger MU - 12/24 10:07:24
                                   Didn’t work for lasting success at Ga Tech(nm) - redngray MU - 12/24 09:36:22
                              indeed (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:22:29
          Next year will be an example of what happens when you trade - alwaysright MU - 12/24 08:27:05
          yep, will probably be 2023 when 9+ wins is possible (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 08:22:29
               when will over .500 be possible? year 4? (nm) - zoomer 99 - 12/24 09:22:26
                    year 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:23:44
                         ok so year 1 and 2 were a failure? - zoomer 99 - 12/24 09:42:57
                              no, they were successes... rebuilds are mostly about - zounami MU - 12/24 09:45:49
               4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:49:56
                    RE: 4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely - RayPecTiger18 MU - 12/24 11:27:21
                         Yes, and that's why it will probably take until 2023 to see - zounami MU - 12/24 11:38:19
                    RE: 4-8, 7-6, 8-5 vs 4-4, 6-7, ? With Drinkwitz we can surely - Indian creek tiger MU - 12/24 09:02:19
                         yep, Odom's SoS's were historically weak (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:02:45
                    also, Drink went 5-5 (pure SEC) and 6-6... the Army game was - zounami MU - 12/24 09:02:15
                         Odom went 4-4 in SEC in year 2 and 3. 3-5 year 4 and fired. - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:05:34
                              Yes, a major regression when he ran out of GP's players... - zounami MU - 12/24 09:06:52
                                   1 game is major regression? Then Drinkwitz had major - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:10:01
                                        Drink went .500 both seasons, against a tougher SoS, and - zounami MU - 12/24 09:29:55
                    no... Odom inherited Pinkel's roster, and we saw what - zounami MU - 12/24 08:58:12
                         Went 4-8 first year with those recruits. To 7-6, 8-5 - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:08:18
                         Uh huh. If not for Odoms guys Badie and Mevis, we win - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:03:29
                              There are 85 scholarships... 2 players don't make a team... - zounami MU - 12/24 09:05:37
                                   2 All Americans. Yea, AA's make big difference. Nm - Nats84 MU - 12/24 09:11:17
                                        one of them is a FG kicker (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:30:27
                                             ...and again, 1 RB & 1 FGK does not make a team (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 09:30:58
     great example of fragile ego syndrome - OGT MU - 12/24 08:11:48
          Great example of ad hominem attack. Congrats nm - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:14:32
               he's also a great example of low IQ (nm) - zounami MU - 12/24 08:33:39
               you felt the need to focus on "Odom players" - OGT MU - 12/24 08:26:04
                    I know you've only been here 2 months, but criticism of - zounami MU - 12/24 08:35:50
     RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - Ragarm MU - 12/24 07:36:08
          4-4 and 6-7 was bc Odom era guys though. Now that - Nats84 MU - 12/24 07:45:50
               RE: 4-4 and 6-7 was bc Odom era guys though. Now that - cybertyger MU - 12/24 07:58:12
                    3 years in a system. Yea that's an upper classmen. Whether - Nats84 MU - 12/24 08:04:36
                         RE: 3 years in a system. Yea that's an upper classmen. Whether - RayPecTiger18 MU - 12/24 11:38:59
     RE: No more Odom players on 2 deep next year right? Which - cybertyger MU - 12/24 07:21:23
          Bill Snyder wasn't great. Smoke and Mirrors with a bunch - Diamond Dave MU - 12/24 08:49:13
               Diamond Dave, still pumping jealousy after - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 12:59:19
               That era of kSU football really p*ssed me off - Nohawks KC - 12/24 08:55:48
                    RE: That era of kSU football really p*ssed me off - Indian creek tiger MU - 12/24 09:10:23
                         True (nm) - Nohawks KC - 12/24 10:05:32
                    If you look at his record, bowls, AP finishes, & especially - Diamond Dave MU - 12/24 09:09:27
                         Yup - Pinkel didn't have the advantages Synder had - Nohawks KC - 12/24 10:04:45
                              Pinkel had "the only show in the state" - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 13:01:56
                                   Many reasons for that - Nohawks KC - 12/24 13:13:07
                                        Oh boy - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 13:26:56
                                             Incredible - we were talking about football - Nohawks KC - 12/24 13:40:08
                                                  I don't think you're being serious - Wildcat KSU - 12/24 15:30:54
                                                       Well we're at the point of talking past each other - Nohawks KC - 12/24 15:44:31
                                                            Merry Xmas(nm) - Wildcat KSU - 12/25 00:31:33
                                                                 Same to you. Hey, I want you to know IMHO - Nohawks KC - 12/25 11:12:25
                                                                      Right on sir!(nm) - Wildcat KSU - 12/26 13:27:45
          Which Drinkwitz year 3 guys have pro potential? Which - Nats84 MU - 12/24 07:33:11
               RE: Which Drinkwitz year 3 guys have pro potential? Which - Ragarm MU - 12/24 07:45:04




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