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Posted on: February 25, 2021 at 11:41:57 CT
SwampTiger MU
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this may be a tough one

In yesterday's poll, nearly everybody agreed murder would be wrong even if there were no govt laws against it. For those that agree it would be wrong, where does this "wrongness" come from?

Please try to summarize briefly in the subj line but feel free to add more commentary. For example, it might be something like:

God, thou shalt not kill
natural rights, right to life
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Today's Poll - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 11:41:57
     I answered this yesterday, it's part of our - 90Tiger STL - 2/25 13:56:09
     Natural Law - things you just know without being taught - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/25 13:53:50
          no. That is not natural law (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:58:32
               what is your definition?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/25 14:01:13
                    i told you already - pickle MU - 2/25 14:06:20
                         sorry, from you response I thought you had an alternative - tigerinhogtown STL - 2/25 14:17:40
     I feel guilty. Cuz i murder pickletopians posts every day. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/25 13:29:19
          F- (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:42:45
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:30:53
               he murdered it - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:34:38
     There is nothing wrong with murder - Mizzou Lou KC - 2/25 13:25:05
          Wow (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:29:56
     * - pickle MU - 2/25 12:54:22
     I want to say both morality/God and Natural Rights, but if I - MIZ45 MU - 2/25 12:44:21
     Sixth Commandment & Developing A Civil Society - ScottsdaleTiger MU - 2/25 12:32:19
          RE: Sixth Commandment & Developing A Civil Society - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:04:28
          it's almost as if it's natural (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:00:27
     RE: Today's Poll - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:30:00
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:35:54
     How about simple empathy? I don't want anyone to kill - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:23:27
          is that up to the individual or is there some universal - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:56:31
               Empathy is up to the individual.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:08:41
                    so is something only wrong if I don't want it done to me? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:18:08
                         My guess is that he would not believe so, he would lack the - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:36:55
                              so the wrongness of murder isn't universal? it is dependent - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:41:17
                                   I offered empathy as an option to your original question - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:51:12
                                        oh, I misunderstood, the poll was what do you believe - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 13:55:22
                                             I have a Judeo-Christian belief system so I go with the - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:00:13
                                                  did the higher power create the rights? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 14:52:32
                                        You didn't answer his question. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 13:54:16
                                             f it were a universal belief we would not be having this - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:03:25
                                                  That's not true at all. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:05:42
                                                       I'm not saying no one would ever be killed, accidents happen - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:16:28
                                                            No, I absolutely would not. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:23:04
                                                                 Correct, and you draw a distinct line at murder. Most - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:32:30
                                                                      First of all, there are no degrees to right and wrong. - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:40:35
                                                                      I suspect that every one of us on this board would lie to - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:37:03
                                                                           You're going off on a tangent that's not related to the - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 14:42:35
                                                                                keep in mind, this is a guy who believes in a sky - 90Tiger STL - 2/25 17:30:53
                         He won't answer that because he clearly didn't think through - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 13:29:56
                              I did answer it dipsh1t. I actually think out my - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:43:55
                                   bwahahahahahaha (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 14:24:54
                                   lol (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 14:13:47
                    i don’t think that word means what you think it means (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:11:42
                         You are the last person I would come to if I were looking - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:28:31
                              it’s your choice to remain ignorant (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 14:13:07
                                   Refusing to take advice from stupid people is far from - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:18:30
                                        I wasn’t giving advice (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 15:34:58
                                        projection (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 14:24:21
          It is wrong regardless of what any religion might say. Loss - SparkyStalcup MU - 2/25 12:39:30
               what's your response to the poll? (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:48:23
          RE: How about simple empathy? I don't want anyone to kill - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:35:05
               Most religions have some dogma about killing or even - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:40:39
                    RE: Most religions have some dogma about killing or even - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:52:10
     You shall not murder is a commandment which was written on - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:20:56
          Many people rely on the incorrect translation 'Thou shalt - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:38:01
               Exactly. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:56:33
                    Was killing Jews not murder since it was legal in Germany?(nm) - TigerMatt - 2/25 13:35:03
                         Just state sanctioned murder, but still murder. As someone - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 14:39:59
                         Abuse of governing authority is not God consenting to evil. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:45:52
               RE: Many people rely on the incorrect translation 'Thou shalt - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:38:47
          RE: You shall not murder is a commandment which was written on - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:32:37
               That was a vigilante mob, not the government. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:35:55
          Romans 12:19 - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:26:34
               A Paraphrase-And here's one of the ways I'm going to execute - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:28:47
                    Revenge by proxy? - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:47:00
                         for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 14:09:36
                              Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. - Spanky KU - 2/25 15:03:41
                                   Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 20:07:01
                    thanks Al-Qaeda spokesperson (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:41:45
               A person taking personal revenge is not the government - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:32:42
                    The government is made up of people - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:36:48
                         The government is made up of people appointed by God to do - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:32:04
                              and His bidding is to not exact revenge (See Romans 12:19) - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:33:49
                                   See Romans 12:19 in context, and the full discussion - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:41:50
                                   You are arguing with a fundie extremist.(nm) - TigerMatt - 2/25 13:39:17
                         You lie against the Holy Spirit when you deny His testimony - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:54:41
                              and you should heed that admonition yourself. - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:00:06
                                   I already addressed that. - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 13:06:20
                                        You actually didn't.. you dodged this: - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:18:08
                                             RE: You actually didn't.. you dodged this: - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 14:12:47
                                                  The meaning of Romans 12:19 is in 12:21: - Spanky KU - 2/25 15:02:59
                                                       The meaning of Romans 12:19 is in 12:19, IN CONTEXT OF - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 20:20:13
          F- (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 12:21:30
               For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:25:14
                    forget the will of god - pickle MU - 2/25 12:32:29
                         No. We know what happens to those who refuse to - MizzouTigerz MU - 2/25 12:41:21
                              it’s a poll, and you ****ed it up - pickle MU - 2/25 12:49:12
     Human nature. Natural rights. (nm) - ummmm MU - 2/25 12:19:35
     Morality(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 2/25 12:17:04
          what's the basis for murder being immoral? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:47:28
     I'll check in finally, with a usual question. - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 12:08:12
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:41:23
               Yes. Nest question?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 14:21:41
                    good post GAT (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 15:03:38
          RE: I'll check in finally, with a usual question. - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:37:42
               I don't know what that means, as to yes or no.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 14:25:06
          Would it have been wrong to kill him as a child before - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:27:43
               Yes. Even if mentally ill its not one thats definable. - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 14:24:22
          F- (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 12:10:33
          Hitler used force to murder many - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:09:43
               As far as i know, Hitler didn't murder anyone. The Soldiers - tcat KC - 2/25 12:15:04
                    he was the one in charge ordering the murders - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:18:03
                         He gave orders his Soldiers followed. The soldier is - tcat KC - 2/25 12:26:16
                              By that analogy - meatiger MU - 2/25 12:42:44
                              both are (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:38:10
     Comes from God the Father Almighty - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/25 11:56:39
          There are many countries that do not recognize God - meatiger MU - 2/25 12:41:27
          And your response to the above?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 2/25 12:08:53
          Why isn't adultery a law? (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 12:01:22
               RE: Why isn't adultery a law? (nm) - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 13:05:26
     RE: Today's Poll - scan MU - 2/25 11:54:18
          RE: Today's Poll - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 11:56:14
     natural rights - pickle MU - 2/25 11:53:55
          RE: natural rights - MOCO SON MU - 2/25 12:11:36
               no (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 12:13:38
               incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:11:52
     I believe personally that the right to life was endowed by - dangertim MU - 2/25 11:53:26
          prove you have a right to life! - DHtard (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:07:35
               He said he believes it comes from a creator. You deny - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:20:10
                    I deny what? Are you lying again, DH? - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:40:18
                         Do you deny the existence of a creator? Piizzle has. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:45:09
                              No, and you're an idiot (nm) - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:57:29
                    you didn’t read his post - pickle MU - 2/25 12:23:20
                         Unlike you he did not claim that right was a fact. He said - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:32:17
                              the fact you were created by nature is not based in faith - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:41:05
                                   That is the stupidest argument I have heard and you keep - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:51:23
                                        your existence proves you were created by nature - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:58:15
                                        you don’t read people’s posts - pickle MU - 2/25 12:55:37
                                             that's a character issue - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:58:44
                              you didn’t read ashtray’s post - pickle MU - 2/25 12:37:59
                                   DT whose post we were responding to specifically stated - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 12:56:53
                                        this has nothing to do with dangertim - pickle MU - 2/25 13:10:39
                                             DT proved his statement, in a way, by admitting that it was - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:16:57
                                                  do you deny nature - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:26:00
                                                       Define nature. If by nature you mean a random occurrence of - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:57:06
                                                            nature - ashtray UF - 2/25 14:22:55
                                                  For the fourth time: this has nothing to do with dangertim - pickle MU - 2/25 13:18:48
                                                       Yes it does. His example stated his belief in faith. - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:27:41
                                                            lol DH (nm) - pickle MU - 2/25 13:43:24
                                        The fact that you believe this isn't the scariest thing - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 13:09:47
                                        can nature not be a creator? - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:59:17
                                             When people say they believe in a creator they are usually - DHighlander NWMSU - 2/25 13:23:41
                                                  what people? - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:25:19
     Right to life (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 11:51:38
     abortion is premediated killing ..and the natural rights - Spanky KU - 2/25 11:45:14
          RE: abortion is premediated killing ..and the natural rights - sarasotatiger MU - 2/25 12:47:29
          what's your response to the poll? - SwampTiger MU - 2/25 12:39:16
          So is war(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/25 11:59:17
               Do natural rights folks feel the same about war as they - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:09:26
                    I do - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/25 12:12:05
                         so you agree that abortion is the premeditated killing of - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:37:51
                              Yes - El-ahrairah BAMA - 2/25 12:53:09
                    no, but you don't understand the right of self-ownership - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:10:35
                         Nope.. you are the one who looks very dumb on this topic - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:16:28
                              false. like I said, you don't recognize or understand - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:19:01
                                   Fail again. You look like a tool justifying the - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:30:37
                                        you look like a fool claiming an individual doesn't - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:41:58
                                             Fail. No-one has the right to kill another that is not - Spanky KU - 2/25 12:49:14
                                                  huge fail by you - ashtray UF - 2/25 12:59:45
                                                       Dance away asshat(nm) - Spanky KU - 2/25 13:00:26
                                                            that's exactly what you are doing by denying the - ashtray UF - 2/25 13:05:22
                                                                 You fail.. She does not have the right to kill that which is - Spanky KU - 2/25 15:35:54
                                                                      RE: You fail.. She does not have the right to kill that which is - ashtray UF - 2/25 15:53:43
                                                                           Fail. Self ownership does not = killing a life that is not - Spanky KU - 2/25 16:13:48
                                                                                RE: Fail. Self ownership does not = killing a life that is not - ashtray UF - 2/25 17:34:30
          That's an odd way of answering the question (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 2/25 11:51:27
     Right to life - meatiger MU - 2/25 11:45:04
     Because I said so(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/25 11:44:12




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