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this is wildy simplistic analysis of an incident that is

Posted on: May 12, 2020 at 09:22:44 CT
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way more complicated than your post suggests.

Did the McMichaels meet the elements of the GA citizen's arrest law? Well, the first DA said they did. To quote him, "It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and Bryan William were following, in hot pursuit of a burglary suspect, with solid firsthand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/telling him to stop. It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. UnderGeorgia Law this is perfectly legal"

is this the correct legal analysis? I don't know, but I do know that it's going to be VERY difficult to prove murder beyond a reasonable doubt when you have the first DA on the record saying otherwise.

The McMichaels were aware of what they believed to be break-ins. The house in question, wildly reported to be under construction, was actually an existing house being renovated. The owner claims he had incidents of thefts from this home. The McMichaels knew this and had reported what is referred to as an auto-burglary themselves.

From the reports, I believe the McMichaels had seen the surveillance videos. In addition they reported to the police that the night before the shooting they encountered Arbery and at that time Arbery reached into his waistband which caused them to believe he was armed. the following day (the day of the shooting) they referred to this incident and said b/c of that they believed he might be armed again.

so going back to whether they met the elements of the GA citizen's arrest law. let's examine the law:

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his
immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion .”

was the offense committed in their presence? not that we are aware of but I don't know about the auto burglary.

was the offense within their immediate knowledge. yes

was the offense a felony? debatable. we haven't seen video of Arbery committing a felony inside the house but was their REASONABLE or PROBABLE grounds for suspicion that he had previously? this is the first big question of the case. I could see it going either way.

so pretty much everything hinges on that.

now as far as the shooting goes. they pulled ahead of him and you see Arbery running down the road. he then goes around the passenger side of the truck and then turns 90 degrees to the left, charges, and attacks (hitting him) Travis McMichael and a struggle ensues over the gun.

if the McMichaels have met the elements of the GA citizen's arrest law they have violated no law. If they haven't then Arbery has a right to self-defense and while stupid imo he has the legal authority to attack Travis McMichael.

however; once the struggle ensues over the gun; which Arbery initiated, the next hurdle that must be crossed was whether the shots were intentional or whether they were accidental. there's a lot of evidence to suggest all 3 shots occurred during the struggle over the weapon and were an accidental result of that struggle.

based on my experience if they go for murder 1 the prosecutor will lose this case, barring jury shenanigans. Same for Murder 2 in IMO.

based on the facts we know, I believe manslaughter might be in order, but I would not be surprised at all if the jury came back with a not guilty verdict.

Edited by blake1771 at 09:32:01 on 05/12/20
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     I agree those two guys are going to jail - drywallerdave MU - 5/12 11:24:52
     I honestly believe the dip****s were trying to scare him - Tigerfish MU - 5/12 09:30:26
     this is wildy simplistic analysis of an incident that is - blake1771 MU - 5/12 09:22:44
          why did they need to make a citizen's arrest? - ashtray UF - 5/12 09:24:12
               NEED and the law are two different things. they didn't NEED - blake1771 MU - 5/12 09:29:31
                    oh, I have no doubt the father knew what he could legally - ashtray UF - 5/12 09:33:36
                         you have no doubt on a person's state of mind? a person you - blake1771 MU - 5/12 09:37:27
                              he's an ex-cop - ashtray UF - 5/12 09:43:45
                                   ignorant statement. - blake1771 MU - 5/12 13:03:12
     Yes...and I have no idea what TF - mizzoumurfkc KC - 5/12 09:05:34
     Agree. (nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 5/12 08:48:59
     Have you run into very many who support him being shot - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/12 07:59:23
          No. Are you feeling defensive? Did you take my post as - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 08:02:27
               No, I asked a question - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/12 08:05:08
                    I simply stated my opinion on the matter. There was no - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 08:11:48
                         It would be like stating you firmly believe the St. Louis - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/12 08:15:21
                              Good talk Russ(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 08:17:25
     No sht Sherlock, glad you got on board(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/12 07:55:53
          Go to hell you dishonest pos(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 07:57:29
          Where? His mom lived across the street(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/12 07:56:52
               this is 100% false. the mom lives in Brunswick proper not - blake1771 MU - 5/12 08:53:23
               Even if that's true (which we don't know) - Sal MU - 5/12 08:02:52
                    I have people walk on my property all the time - Da_Haze KC - 5/12 08:49:05
                         Literally nobody has suggested they get a “pass” because - MIZ45 MU - 5/12 10:13:33
                         That's entirely up to you since it's your property - Sal MU - 5/12 08:52:45
               If I live across the street from you and enter your property - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 08:00:08
                    An excitable boy they all said.(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/12 08:01:21
                         what? (nm) - Sal MU - 5/12 08:15:27
                         You are such a stupid fvck. And a liar. (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 08:13:27
                              Three posts from you all saying fck, well done(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/12 08:32:15
                                   Why are you so dishonest? (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 08:33:15
                                        ole(nm) - Da_Haze KC - 5/12 08:50:04
          That is between the property owner and him. Well, not - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 07:47:32
               The property owner said they wouldn’t have chased him down - El-ahrairah BAMA - 5/12 07:51:43
                    Nobody is making the case that he should have been shot (nm) - Sal MU - 5/12 07:52:25
                         He shouldn’t have been followed, ****ed with, etc - El-ahrairah BAMA - 5/12 07:58:38
                              "his business" was trespassing on private property (nm) - Sal MU - 5/12 08:01:24
                                   false - ashtray UF - 5/12 09:25:13
                                        Maybe, but do we know that for sure? (nm) - Sal MU - 5/12 09:39:10
                                             yes (nm) - ashtray UF - 5/12 09:44:04
               Through his attorneys, the property owner specifically - Sal MU - 5/12 07:51:25
                    RE: Through his attorneys, the property owner specifically - BH O'bonga MU - 5/12 07:59:04
                         I think they committed a crime by shooting him (nm) - Sal MU - 5/12 08:05:40
                              RE: I think they committed a crime by shooting him (nm) - BH O'bonga MU - 5/12 08:19:10
                                   That video shows they killed him - Sal MU - 5/12 08:22:02
                                        RE: When you draw a gun on a man, you are intending to shoot - BH O'bonga MU - 5/12 09:04:36
                                             at no point did the DRAW down on him. the only time you see - blake1771 MU - 5/12 09:25:35
                    OK. Didn't the property owner go on to say that nothing - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 07:53:17
                         Nobody is saying it warranted death - Sal MU - 5/12 07:54:34
                              What does the narrative have to do with it - meatiger MU - 5/12 08:10:45
                                   Yeah, what's the point in discussing the facts (nm) - Sal MU - 5/12 08:14:08
                                        It is a narrative - meatiger MU - 5/12 08:30:31
                                             Nobody is justifying the shooting - Sal MU - 5/12 08:34:10
                                                  RE: Nobody is justifying the shooting - meatiger MU - 5/12 08:40:23
                                                       because that is the story we heard from the - Sal MU - 5/12 08:41:39
                                                            It changes it from a - meatiger MU - 5/12 08:46:44
                                                                 There isn't enough evidence to determine that yet - Sal MU - 5/12 08:49:29
                                                                      There is some poor journalism down there(nm) - meatiger MU - 5/12 08:50:36
                              I agree. Still doesn't change what I believe. Those two guys - hefeweizen MU - 5/12 07:56:41




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