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Posted on: April 13, 2020 at 14:32:31 CT
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government restrictions on doctors being able to use chloroquine as one of their treatment options if they so desired. It has already been extensively tested for the treatment of malaria, lupus & another malady or two and approved for those uses. They already know the side effects.

Some doctors had reported good success using it in conjunction with zinc &/or another drug. One reported a 96% success rate, with some coming back from the brink of death to being up and walking around within 4 hours.

Putting them on a respirator, the current treatment of choice for those in those situations on the other hand have between an 80% to 90% outcome of death, per some sources.

I said that doctors should be given the discretion to try the treatments that have had great anecdotal success if they feel it is in the best interest of their particular patient, with the patient's informed consent, of course... especially if it might take a year or longer to go through clinical trials to show the effectiveness.

He was adamant, that no, doctors should not have that ability unless and until the FDA or CDC goes through the full trial process and officially approves a drug for that purpose.

Even if not doing so results in a 90% death rate for the patient and doing so results in a 96% recovery rate per anecdotal evidence, I asked. YES! he replied.
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What has happened to Americans? - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:05:09
     He is the most pusified individual on the board. a fart - TigerFan92 MU - 4/13 14:12:34
     lol, please Mr. Expert - MrBlueSky MU - 4/13 14:10:49
          think for yourself. - dangertim MU - 4/13 14:23:20
          ^^^🤡^^^(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 4/13 14:19:59
          đꤍ (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 4/13 14:15:29
          Whenever I see Blue begin to dig himself deeper - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/13 14:15:14
               Gyro is doing it within this thread too - Sal MU - 4/13 14:19:42
                    he’s an idiot - pickle MU - 4/13 14:34:42
                    Good Lord, what policy would you enact based on a model - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/13 14:30:19
                         I thought it happened all within a week - Sal MU - 4/13 14:31:30
                              It happened in 5 days. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:37:08
                    Sal is doing it here as well... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:21:17
                         I had a disagreement with a brother-in-law yesterday over - JeffB MU - 4/13 14:32:31
                              because the majority of folks still have faith in govt - ashtray UF - 4/13 14:38:24
                                   so does GA Tiger (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:42:29
                                        no doubt (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/13 14:45:22
                         that's very different than advocating for public policy base - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:24:53
                              Huge straw man there... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:26:36
                                   experts on tv lmfao (nm) - pickle MU - 4/13 14:35:46
                                   lmao "experts on TV"(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/13 14:30:49
                                        Not sure what's so funny about this... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:53:01
                                             Fauci isn't his doctor. You choose your doctor(nm) - dangertim MU - 4/13 14:56:21
                                                  Actually I didn't but that's a whole nother issue(nm) - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:57:03
                                        lol, I didn't catch that(nm) - dangertim MU - 4/13 14:32:11
                                        Like CNN's Gupta analyzing a chest xray on TV (nm) - Sal MU - 4/13 14:31:51
                                   you keep repeating yourself - what do you advocate be - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:28:15
                                        He wants things shut down until a vaccine is available (nm) - Sal MU - 4/13 14:28:59
                                             and won't say it outright (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:29:46
                                   You've admitted you're following crap data (nm) - Sal MU - 4/13 14:27:55
                         That's what happened with the last pandemic - Sal MU - 4/13 14:23:22
                    he's never able or willing to articulate a position - he's - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:21:16
                         Just because you don't like my positions... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:25:01
                              RE: Just because you don't like my positions... - SwampTiger MU - 4/13 14:27:25
                                   he's too busy listening to doctors to have comment on that (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:28:44
                                        Actually he's not. There is a stay at home order and he is - hefeweizen MU - 4/13 14:29:57
                                             is he really? lol (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 4/13 14:31:12
                                                  here you go - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:32:23
                                                       he's MBS with more - SwampTiger MU - 4/13 14:37:25
                                             he's a white hot emotional mess (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:30:22
                              what are you advocating for here other than "listen - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:27:08
          Do you not realize how ridiculous you and Gyro are - Sal MU - 4/13 14:12:06
               and when pressed for what they DO support, it amounts - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:18:52
               WHAT SHOULD WE BASE PUBLIC POLICY ON THEN? - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:17:24
                    there shouldn’t be “public policy” (nm) - pickle MU - 4/13 14:29:38
                    RE: WHAT SHOULD WE BASE PUBLIC POLICY ON THEN? - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:26:28
                    how about not making national policy when data is - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:23:22
                    the Constitution is a good start (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/13 14:22:23
                    Freedom, rights, voluntary action (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:20:07
                    are you wanting a national public policy here? - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:19:21
                         Stay out of it with your states / feds BS... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:20:33
                              no we aren't. why do you insist on being directed by the st - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:22:00
                                   I've been talking about data... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:23:28
                                        Where am I 'needing government' in this or any other thread? - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:26:06
                                             You just did... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:27:43
                                                  Parson*. Not Parsons. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:30:08
                                                       Sorry didn't vote for that fat ass(nm) - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:34:51
                                                            Neither did I. But I know how to spell his name. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:36:02
                                                  you may wish to revisit this post of yours - 90Tiger STL - 4/13 14:29:33
                              Do you think Wyoming should have the same policy as - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:21:46
                    I don't think any policy is needed in this situation - Sal MU - 4/13 14:18:50
                         LOL, really? - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:20:02
                              He just gave you a policy. - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:20:56
                                   Be mad at your boss... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:22:10
                                        What's a boss? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:23:22
               What else can you do? You can't just let people make their - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:14:57
          Be a free man. Think for yourself (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/13 14:11:59
               LOL from the little guy who needs... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:16:34
                    Accolades (nm) - hefeweizen MU - 4/13 14:16:58
                         Hey man, you're the one who is selling cabbage... - Gyro MU - 4/13 14:18:00
                              there?(nm) - tigerNkc MU - 4/13 16:09:41
          I don't want to "lead" the way. I want businesses to - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:11:42
     lol, I missed that - SwampTiger MU - 4/13 14:09:31
     MBS cannot do a thing without an authority telling him - hefeweizen MU - 4/13 14:06:54
          If not CIA intelligence, then what was George Bush supposed - ummmm MU - 4/13 14:08:41
          Even with admitting said authority - Sal MU - 4/13 14:08:16




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