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Posted on: February 1, 2019 at 13:39:11 CT
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Stock performance is in some measure psychologically driven and speculative.

While there was an 183% increase in the S&P 500 during the time between Obama's inauguration (1/20/09) and Trump's (1/20/17), also consider that:

(1) Between the time Obama was elected for the first time (11/4/08) and the time he actually took office (1/20/09), the S&P fell from a daily closing price of 1,005.25 to 805.22. It's equally reasonable to accept that while (a) there wasn't much Obama could do to affect stock prices in the interim, (b) there may have been a speculative component of Obama's impending administration that helped create the nearly 20% drop over two months time.

(2) In the calculations CNN makes, Obama also benefits the other way at the end of his 2nd term: on 11/8/16, before election results were known, the S&P closed at 2,139.56. When Trump took office on 1/20/17, the S&P closed at 2,271.31. Again, while it's reasonable to assume that Trump couldn't affect stock prices in the interim, it's also reasonable to assume that Trump being the next president caused a speculative effect on stock prices.

So, another way of looking at this is:
Upon finding out that Obama would become president, the stock market lost 200 points before he took office.

Upon finding out Trump would succeed Obama, the stock market gained 130ish points.

If you look at things election-to-election, Obama's numbers are:
11/4/08 - 1005.25
11/8/16 - 2139.56
Diff - 1134.31
% - 112.8%
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Stock performance under recent Presidents.. - ivan drago MU - 2/1 12:14:01
     Proves almost nothing, since a pres. impact on - GA Tiger MU - 2/1 14:14:47
     Counter to your narrative - o'lineydisciple MU - 2/1 13:39:11
     the Fed kept pumping easy money into the system. The - tcat KC - 2/1 12:59:09
     What is remarkable about recent events - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:30:56
     The Annual GDP never topped 3% under Obama. - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 12:25:44
          Has the annual GDP growth topped 3% in either of - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:40:47
               I think Kenya's last year was 1.5%. In Drumpf's first it was - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 12:48:56
                    You are incorrect, which isn't surprising - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:50:08
                         You sure about that? - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 12:52:05
                              1.5% x 2= 2.3%? - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:52:45
                                   lol I said almost you weasley little cry baby b*tch - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 2/1 12:53:58
                                        Which was wrong. And you're an idiot - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:54:27
          It did for several quarters, actually (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:26:50
               And the Chiefs and Saints were leading for - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:33:04
                    Correct. And the Donnie economy has not produced - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:48:12
                         sorry, but it was 3% for 2018. Included a 4.5% qtr. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/1 13:13:32
                              That is not correct (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 14:50:10
                              Wrong. (nm) - DC Jayhawk KU - 2/1 14:22:52
                         Not in year one - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:54:41
               He failed on what should have been a boom recovery - tman MU - 2/1 12:29:36
                    So now the economy was in the dumps because of - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:33:45
               that's sad. You're down to counting the quarters, not year. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/1 12:29:25
                    2.9% annual growth in 2015, 2.6% in 2014, 2.5% in 2010 - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:38:29
                    Sad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 2/1 12:31:49
     Of course you ignore the fact that Trump - tman MU - 2/1 12:24:14
          Donnie told us everything with regards to the economy was in - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:28:26
               Which is it in you opinion. Trump inherited - tman MU - 2/1 12:31:05
                    You're the one who eats up the BS that Donnie spews - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 13:06:43
          But I thought Trump inherited a disaster? - Badird MU - 2/1 12:26:52
     Yes, obama's doubling entire national debt was great. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/1 12:23:00
          You don't give a shyt about the national debt - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:23:55
               I do, but the reality is it's pointless because of spending. - RHAYWORTH MU - 2/1 12:31:55
     First two years.. DJIA up about 2300 under Obama. 5200 - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:21:01
          There it is. - DC Jayhawk KU - 2/1 14:27:27
          How about as a % - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:22:40
               Change the DJIA to dollars. Who is better off financially? - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:54:35
               % is a terrible measure. Virgin increases infinitely how - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:48:21
                    Lol, wow - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:50:22
                         Thinking percentage is better is retarded.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:54:59
                              Raw number is a terrible comparison - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 12:55:53
                                   Except it isn't. There is greater wealth creation under - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 12:58:06
                                        So if the market was at 1000 - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 13:01:56
                                             Yes. At a lower starting point it is easier to go up by a - TigerMatt STL - 2/1 13:06:45
                                                  Donnie shill gonna shill, I guess - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 13:09:41
                                                       nice bailout, repeatedly, in this thread. (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 2/1 13:13:14
                                                            Right on cue, another Donnie shill. Shocking(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 2/1 13:16:11
                                                                 another vapid meme response which ducks the issue - 90Tiger MU - 2/1 14:00:36
     See that's where you're wrong. - kcnorthside KC - 2/1 12:17:47
          thanks, that's helpful! (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 2/1 12:24:27




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