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Waterboarding is not torture!

Posted on: May 10, 2018 at 22:39:27 CT
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/mccains-fellow-pows-support-waterboarding/2011/05/16/AF0f374G_blog.html?

Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp. When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

...Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview. It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
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If torture works, use it. Right?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 21:47:44
     The U.S. has never used torture. The Muslims use torture - Emoji Man MSU - 5/11 02:18:59
          Or burn people alive, as they did recently.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/11 07:57:45
     better idda, implant a gpstracker - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/10 23:15:07
     Waterboarding is not torture! - Spanky KU - 5/10 22:39:27
     If it saves innocent lives, why not?(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 21:48:51
          Oh, you were serious - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 21:55:30
               So you're saying it is better for 3000 innocent men, women - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 22:07:18
                    I would have done much worse to that fat bastard. nm. - MUTGR MU - 5/10 22:15:00
                         Macho es mas mas macho(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:16:43
                              sí, es verdad nm. - MUTGR MU - 5/10 22:30:38
                              Mas Stupida es Ras, y grande idiota. - RHAYWORTH MU - 5/10 22:20:49
                    False dichotomy.(nm) - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:11:02
                         How so?(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 22:14:05
                              It is not an either or. (nm) - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:19:17
                                   So, what is another alternative?(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 22:24:06
                                        Your entire premise is flawed. When has there ever been - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:26:57
                    Your view of ethics is Utilitarian. Mine is not. - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:09:37
                         Of course. If you can't refute my argument then it is a - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 22:12:42
                              Your argument is utilitarian and I reject it - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:16:14
                                   Life is real. Sometimes we are placed in situations that - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 22:22:24
                                        You base your ethics on a utilitarian model - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:30:52
                                             Okay. Try this. - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 22:39:40
               You support bombing and drone strikes. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/10 21:56:52
                    No. Never have - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 21:58:15
                         You called for Syria to be attacked. - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:06:56
                              How far off the track you going son - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:13:42
                                   "Bombing and drone strikes". You have supported bombings - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:18:53
                                        You gonna fight this till you die? - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:20:33
                                             Your words are on record. They cannot be denied. So run away - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:22:00
                                                  uh huh, good for you chuckles(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:31:39
                                                       You are as delusional as JG trying to contort your own words - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:36:55
                              He was drunk when he posted that - TIGERROAR MU - 5/10 22:10:49
                         Uh, huh. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/10 21:59:07
                              No - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:04:30
                                   Another admission that you support bombing - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/10 22:09:11
                                        You're really just not that smart are you - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:11:26
                                             I'm smart enough to know that you supported - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/10 22:13:21
                                                  Lack of action in Bosnia was a national moral failing(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:17:40
                                                       So if it saves innocent lives, why not? - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/10 22:19:21
                                                            Slippery slopes abound but that does not detract from the pt - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:23:14
                                                                 "Slippery slope" = "I'm lying, Guys." (nm) - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/10 22:29:47
                                   Same post.. You wanted troops in Syria and supported Bosnian - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:08:11
                                        I guess we should have let Hitler be(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 22:18:49
                                             Hitler was a creation of the Treaty of Versailles. Another - TigerMatt MU - 5/10 22:34:50
          Because it’s immoral. Are you a Christian? (nm) - Kaw-djer - 5/10 21:52:46
               If your only choice is between two perceived evils - Alferd Packer MU - 5/10 22:09:54
          Wow(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/10 21:52:04
          Yeah, the US seems real worried about saving innocent lives. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/10 21:51:49




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