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Pickle, I'm reading a book you should read,

Posted on: August 31, 2017 at 12:22:46 CT
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(as should anyone else here) called "American Creation" by Joseph Ellis, set at the time of the revolution and adoption of the constitution. An outstanding discussion of state vs federal power, from the people involved, and why we got to where we are.

It includes the historical examples of how the Confederation, without central power, did not and would not work and why they always collapsed.
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You're a citizen and my laws apply to you - pickle MU - 8/31 12:12:03
     You can leave if you don't like them - catbirdseat MU - 8/31 13:38:44
     Pickle, I'm reading a book you should read, - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 12:22:46
          When you and the author say it did not or would not - ummmm MU - 8/31 12:34:59
               It means that when control rests with the entities of - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:03:24
                    Slaves weren't 3/5 of a person (nm) - pickle MU - 8/31 13:33:14
                    Was there violence between the states during the era of the - ummmm MU - 8/31 13:11:11
                         Not armed violence. Your point?(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:12:56
                              That you and the author are wrong about it not "working" - ummmm MU - 8/31 13:16:58
                                   If it had been working, in this country, then I suggest - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:19:11
                                        it was replaced by force by those who wanted a - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 13:29:58
                                             No. Force was not used at all to replace the Articles - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 14:48:54
                                                  Lol - pickle MU - 8/31 14:53:21
                                        It was replaced by a coup. - ummmm MU - 8/31 13:21:40
                                             Explain that coup, since the ratification convention - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 14:50:04
                                                  Which ratification convention? - ummmm MU - 8/31 15:21:39
                    well thank god the constitution prevented any of that disagr - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 13:09:27
                         Yeah, surely, the violence between the states that GAT - ummmm MU - 8/31 13:12:14
                         First of all, the discussion is the Revolutionary War. - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:11:56
                              He's talking about your claim that a decentralization of - ummmm MU - 8/31 13:12:48
                                   My claim, not clearly stated, was that it has and could. - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:17:39
                                        When has it? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/31 14:07:55
                                        the violence occurred AFTER centralization, not - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 13:31:14
                                        Let's start with when it has. - ummmm MU - 8/31 13:24:17
               Federalist didnt like they couldnt force uniform - TigerMatt MU - 8/31 12:45:18
          I've read Ellis before - pickle MU - 8/31 12:32:57
          The Confederacy collapsed because of a foreign tyrant - TigerMatt MU - 8/31 12:24:18
               I'm talking about the Articles of Confederation. And - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 12:33:10
                    Articles of Confederation failed because people - TigerMatt MU - 8/31 12:42:02
                         Basically true, but am sure we have different - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:09:01
                              The solution to abuse of power is not to - TigerMatt MU - 8/31 13:13:40
                                   GA has stated in the past that a dictatorship is the - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 13:37:42
                    certainly a strong leader - SwampTiger MU - 8/31 12:38:21
                         I take that to mean you feel if a leader - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:10:43
                              no, that's not what I mean, but what do you think - SwampTiger MU - 8/31 13:22:00
                    You did say it included historical examples. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/31 12:35:28
                         Actually, so far, it says that such examples were - GA Tiger MU - 8/31 13:06:26
                              Oh okay. Admittedly, I have not read the book. - ummmm MU - 8/31 13:42:30
     The People's Laws apply to you - Spanky KU - 8/31 12:15:24
          Sheriff Joe - JayHoaxH8r MU - 8/31 14:57:20
          I didn't elect anyone - pickle MU - 8/31 12:31:56
               That's your problem if you choose not to vote - Spanky KU - 8/31 13:00:00
                    Non-responsive - pickle MU - 8/31 13:01:34
                         Responsive... I can't help that you are ignorant - Spanky KU - 8/31 14:33:01
               RE: I didn't elect anyone - MOCO SON MU - 8/31 12:59:16
          It's like this Public Property thing. - Evenflow MU - 8/31 12:20:37
               or exercise any property right on public land - sell it, bui - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 12:29:40
          That is not evidence government is valid and - TigerMatt MU - 8/31 12:20:16
          when did you agree / sign on to become a citizen? - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 12:18:13
               When I applied for a Social Security Card at 14 years old - Spanky KU - 8/31 12:32:45
                    So you weren't a citizen before that? (nm) - pickle MU - 8/31 12:44:42
                         That wan't the question I was asked, was it? - Spanky KU - 8/31 13:00:49
                              it was exactly the question I asked and you answered (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 13:10:09
                                   It was not what you asked - Spanky KU - 8/31 13:35:34
                                        No, you never agreed - nor did your parents. Neither you - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 13:40:12
                                             You are 100% incorrect - Spanky KU - 8/31 14:33:39
                              It actually was - pickle MU - 8/31 13:02:09
                    interesting - You were a citizen at birth, per the US govt. - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 12:38:56
                         What is the question you actually asked me? - Spanky KU - 8/31 13:02:06
                              RE: What is the question you actually asked me? - 90Tiger MU - 8/31 13:34:28
                                   You are incorrect.. I have the choice - Spanky KU - 8/31 14:05:50
     you can always move, but yes you are born into a society - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 8/31 12:15:02
          No, You are under no compulsion to obey the Law - Uncle Fester USMC - 8/31 12:16:44
     The Laws really dont apply to anyone stupid - Uncle Fester USMC - 8/31 12:14:37
     You're a dumb ass and - Tigrrrr! MU - 8/31 12:14:02
     What laws, if any, do you believe should exist? - Sal KC - 8/31 12:13:01




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