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Rise in temperatures NOT due to change in sun

Posted on: August 28, 2017 at 10:27:44 CT
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The theory that solar activity is linked to rising global temperatures has been cast into doubt after scientists corrected an ancient error in the calculations.

Until now, the general consensus was that solar activity - in particular sunspots - and temperatures have been trending upwards since the harsh winters of the 17th century when the spots were thought to have been at a low.

But when the error was corrected, the records show there was no such culmination in solar activity in the late 20th century, suggesting climate change cannot be plotted using this sunspots method.

In fact, solar activity appears to have remained relatively stable since the 1700s while global temperatures have fluctuated.

According to the previous calculations, harsh winters in the 17th and 18th centuries corresponded with low numbers of sunspots, which suggested a link between climate and solar activity.

This period is known as the Maunder Minimum, and solar activity is said to have peaked in the late 20th century, sometimes called the Modern Grand Maximum, around the time of the Industrial Revolution.

However, a discrepancy between two different sunspot counts called this trend into question.

It is this discrepancy that has now been resolved and it shows there was no significant upwards trend over the past 300 years, as previously thought.

The correction, called the Sunspot Number Version 2.0 was led by Frédéric Clette, Director of the World Data Centre (WDC) SILSO, Ed Cliver of the National Solar Observatory and Leif Svalgaard of Stanford University.

It effectively nullifies the claim that there has been a Modern Grand Maximum.

The results were announced at the International Astronomical Union (IAU) General Assembly in Honolulu, Hawaii, and make it difficult to explain observed changes in the climate that started in the 18th century as being significantly influenced by solar trends.

Two methods of counting the sunspot number, known as the Wolf Sunset Number and the Group Sunspot Number, showed different levels of solar activity before 1885, and around 1945.

The Group Sunspot Number had a major error that showed a gradual increase in solar activity for the past 300 years.

The most important correction to the data is 'a lowering by about 18 per cent of all numbers after 1947, to remove the bias produced by a new counting method started in 1947 in Zürich,' a spokesperson from the Sunspot Index and Long-term Solar Observations (SILSO) told The Register.

But after recalibration, there is no significant differences between the Wolf Sunset Number and the Group Sunspot Number.

The Group Sunspot was eventually discontinued after 1998 due to the inconsistency.

The limitations of early telescopes led to questions about the accuracy of the constant counting of sunspots for the last 300 years, leading to the Group Sunspot number being started in 1998.
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Rise in temperatures NOT due to change in sun - Silas MU - 8/28 10:27:44
     Imagine that! Some still think the sun causes warming. - Alferd Packer MU - 8/28 12:19:46
     so how long was science wrong here before realizing "its" - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:11:56
     The Sun is on the take so socialists - JG A - 8/28 10:36:07
     "settled science" - so, what % of climate change is - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 10:30:24
          The subject you are looking at is called climate sensitivity - Badird MU - 8/28 10:54:30
               "overwhelming majority" - that's compelling!! (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:03:41
                    You want an exact figure? - Badird MU - 8/28 11:12:47
                         guess what happens to scientists who disagree? - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:14:57
                              That is patently false. If they have sound science, which is - Badird MU - 8/28 11:18:50
          So if your question cannot be answered we should - MrBlueSky MU - 8/28 10:31:27
               It should not be about "doing something" - meatiger MU - 8/28 10:35:19
                    Agreed. And the problem with that is the posts below. - MrBlueSky MU - 8/28 10:36:49
                         Show me one post that advocated status quo(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 10:38:06
                              Anyone that denies CC is advocating the status quo. - Badird MU - 8/28 10:44:39
                                   What post denied CC?(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 10:45:20
                                        I did all but link it, but here you go: - Badird MU - 8/28 10:53:01
                                             you have reading comprehension issues (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:08:09
                                             That post didnt deny CC at all. Btw, he's a fellow lib(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 10:54:00
                                                  I am not suggesting he is a denier. But he did suggest its - Badird MU - 8/28 10:56:26
                                                       I am not a denier at all - meatiger MU - 8/28 11:14:42
                                                            The market will never fix climate change. - Badird MU - 8/28 11:21:30
                                                       how's that? (nm) - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:08:52
                                                       can it? give me examples(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 10:59:32
                                                            Do you not think there are conservative solutions to this? - Badird MU - 8/28 11:14:06
                                                                 Those are not conservative positions - meatiger MU - 8/28 11:15:31
                                                                      Tax cuts and de-regulation are not conservative positions? - Badird MU - 8/28 11:22:51
                                                                           Yes. they are govt favoring one business type over another - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:37:26
                                                                                Ah, but not the deregulation part. You ignored that. - Badird MU - 8/28 12:04:49
                                                                                     No...you spoke for de-reguating for specific - meatiger MU - 8/28 12:05:39
                                                                                          WTF is deregulation? You dont have GLOBAL deregulation. - Badird MU - 8/28 12:10:05
                                                                                               no, we want deregulation and govt out of making policy - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 13:18:31
                                                                                                    Really? Bc the conservative solution currently is 'deny at - Badird MU - 8/28 13:31:37
                         How is that an agreement - meatiger MU - 8/28 10:37:58
               We should start by not calling it settled. (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/28 10:35:11
               what is it you are doing or want me to do, exactly? be - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 10:33:47
                    I've ruled nothing out. - MrBlueSky MU - 8/28 10:34:40
                         I've advocated for nothing, not even status quo. So now - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 10:35:46
                              What I want is you to stop peddling this idea that CC is fak - Badird MU - 8/28 11:02:26
                                   never said that, ever. just asking you to stop making wild - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:09:25
                                        LOL what are my 'wild, gross claims'?? nm - Badird MU - 8/28 11:14:51
                                             that you or anyone else understands what is causing - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:39:29
                                                  LOL, you discount 90-something percent of the scientific - Badird MU - 8/28 12:06:42
               what should we do? Besides raise taxes and grow - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 10:32:51
                    How many times do you need me to answer this question for u? - Badird MU - 8/28 10:54:07
                         You havent answered it yet(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 11:00:59
               Yes, Earthlings should do nothing different - Silas MU - 8/28 10:32:39
                    If it required everywhere - catbirdseat MU - 8/28 10:40:33
                         if what is required everywhere? Oh, you mean a global - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 11:10:41
                         required? Who enforces the requirements? Oh, I know, - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 10:44:20
                              You are - catbirdseat MU - 8/28 10:50:56
                    Why is "doing something" - meatiger MU - 8/28 10:36:54
                         If Donnie could find a way to profit biggly off - MrBlueSky MU - 8/28 10:38:14
                              CLEAN COAL - Silas MU - 8/28 10:39:04
                              damn that evil profit(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 8/28 10:38:41
                    is it business or species proliferation? you're targeting - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 10:35:04
     That's convenient (nm) - ummmm MU - 8/28 10:30:18
          as convenient as changing temperature data to - 90Tiger MU - 8/28 10:30:52
               The discrepancy (which is now fixed, thank science) must - ummmm MU - 8/28 10:42:54




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