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“Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,”

Posted on: April 20, 2017 at 11:55:08 CT

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said Ruth Milkman, a sociologist who has studied the history of construction in Southern California. “The sequence of events is that the de-unionization and the accompanying deterioration of the jobs come first, before immigrants.”

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California construction worker pay sank. Here’s why - Spanky KU - 4/20 11:28:49

Rarely got as strong as it was then - raskolnikov MU - 4/20 11:59:19

In 1982, I got my ass blistered by a union steward - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/20 11:58:01

“Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,” - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/20 11:55:08

RE: “Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,” - Alferd Packer MU

- 4/20 12:00:54

I don't know of any union contractors that went non-union - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/20 12:06:15

Quanta - Spanky KU - 4/20 12:11:23

so did McCarthy - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/20 12:14:15

The 2007-08 housing bubble meltdown didn't help - Knucklehead MU - 4/20 11:51:20

Put on your tinfoil hats! - Alferd Packer MU

- 4/20 12:04:06

Could you name these people so we can all be on the - MizSecZou MU - 4/20 11:52:16

George Soros, Rockefeller family would be place to start - Knucklehead MU - 4/20 11:57:52

RE: George Soros, Rockefeller family would be place to start - Alferd Packer MU

- 4/20 12:05:45

Lower costs/prices are good for everyone. - pickle MU

- 4/20 11:35:14

Lower labor costs do not lower home prices.... - Spanky KU - 4/20 11:52:33

Incorrect (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/20 12:01:14

Nope.. correct. - Spanky KU - 4/20 12:13:25

Well that was a whole lot of nothing (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/20 12:28:53

I guess facts confuse you - Spanky KU - 4/20 12:51:46

why leave out the fact skilled non-union labor - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/20 12:20:26

I am talking about the effect of labor costs - Spanky KU - 4/20 12:28:31

no, they work on a margin - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/20 11:58:53

Yep.(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU

- 4/20 11:53:18

Substandard work out of unschooled and unskilled labor. - Tigrrrr! MU

- 4/20 11:37:00

This is something beyond your understanding (nm) - pickle MU

- 4/20 11:47:53

If Milli Vanilli fell in the woods, would someone else make - MizSecZou MU - 4/20 11:49:50

"Skilled labor" is an overused term. - Hbombtiger STL - 4/20 11:46:45

Agreed... There are many unskilled workers that 'move up' - Spanky KU - 4/20 11:50:38

RE: "Skilled labor" is an overused term. - Tigrrrr! MU

- 4/20 11:48:09

wtf do you think you are to decide who can - SwampTiger MU - 4/20 12:12:09

you should wire it with C4(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 4/20 12:21:09

But I have that option. - Hbombtiger STL - 4/20 12:01:34

He was talking union/non-union, not licensed/unlicensed - pickle MU

- 4/20 12:00:30

Says the man who thinks licensing is an infringement(nm) - Tigrrrr! MU

- 4/20 12:50:29

It's not my fault you lack reading comprehension - pickle MU

- 4/20 13:28:23

lol(nm) - MizSecZou MU - 4/20 11:48:38

Unions outpriced themselves. Happens all the time (nm) - Hbombtiger STL - 4/20 11:32:50

And immigrants undercut them - Spanky KU - 4/20 11:40:20

No one was undercut - pickle MU

- 4/20 11:46:48

Wrong - Spanky KU - 4/20 11:51:42

Competition is good. - Hbombtiger STL - 4/20 11:43:57

Yeah, but the union bosses make out like bandits. - GA Tiger MU - 4/20 11:39:41

Gets to manage that pension fund. - Tigrrrr! MU

- 4/20 11:41:25

Bingo. And public unions? Should be outlawed. (nm) - Hbombtiger STL - 4/20 11:47:28